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Boston Herald calls for government-run execution squads to MASS MURDER naturopaths, scientists and journalists who oppose mercury in immunizations

Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago to News
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From the Boston Heralds editorial staff.
It’s one thing for Hollywood celebrities to wear their anti-vaccine pride like just another fashion trend. It’s another thing when anti-vaccine activists start preying on vulnerable people, particularly within immigrant communities.

Yes, the anti-vaxxers appear to be plying their trade with the Somali community in Minnesota — and the result, sadly, is a dangerous outbreak of measles.

The recent outbreak is now up to 41 kids, all of them under 10. The Washington Post reported Friday that the number of children of Somali descent in Minnesota who have received the vaccination for measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) plunged from 92 percent in 2004 to 42 percent in 2014 — not nearly enough to immunize against those diseases.

Skepticism about vaccines within Minnesota’s Somali community goes back a decade, the Post reported, after parents raised concern about possible higher rates of autism among their children (research later indicated that wasn’t the case).

But it seems that was all the truthers needed to hear. When Somali parents sought answers to explain autism, anti-vaccine activists were delighted to fill in the information gap. The disgraced British doctor who once reported a link between vaccines and autism — which was deemed fraudulent and cost him his medical license — has met with families, the Post reported. Even amid this latest outbreak, anti-vaccine groups have fanned the flames, making it hard for public health officials and doctors to be heard above the noise.

These are the facts: Vaccines don’t cause autism. Measles can kill. And lying to vulnerable people about the health and safety of their children ought to be a hanging offense.

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/e...

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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You wrote "Strange how, had it been in a "conservative" news outlet, it would have been screaming, protesting, fire them all news, yet this was just treated as something to be proud of......"

    If you don't know then why did you write that about the Herald? By the way, syndicated radio talk-show host Howie Carr writes a column for it, and the famous economist Warren Brookes got his start there and wrote many excellent columns there for years. It's one of the few publications sympathetic with keeping taxes down.

    As for the "posted article" you referred to, I don't know which article you mean. The Herald editorial denouncing the anti-vaccine fad (and the Hollywood celebrities) or the "natural news" hysteria linked to.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Boston Herald did not did not advocate "government-run execution squads to MASS MURDER". Rejecting the assertion as nonsensee not "subjective". They didn't say it. To promote such hysteria, let alone to continue to defend it, it is simply stupid. Take the nonsense and the evasive, snide personal insinuations somewhere else.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can agree with your point here, although I do not have enough familiarity to say what the Heralds politics are, so I would defer to your better judgement. I was not impressed with the whole tone of the posted article, just on the basis of the way it was written was too slanted in a specific point with little real data, sounded more like a political piece.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your subjective judgement is hypocritical.

    The hysteria? Kind of like your post

    Leftist (illegal?) anti-Trump immigrant threatens mass "casualties" (townhall.com)
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As already explained to you, discussions here that are not about Objectivist philosophy are still expected to be rational, not the hysteria and false accusations of this thread, which are contrary to the purpose of the forum. It's for people interested in Ayn Rand's ideas, not a subjectivist free for all of paranoiac fantasy. Take it somewhere else.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ask the Gulch!
    Got a question about Objectivism? Ayn Rand? Politics? Life? Dinner? Or... anything else for that matter. The Gulch wants to hear it. Ask away.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Massachusetts and Boston are to the left of "liberal"; it does not follow that the Boston Herald is. It is not.

    The brief editorial, which is not a research article requiring citations, does not call "for government-run execution squads to MASS MURDER naturopaths, scientists and journalists who oppose mercury in immunizations" or the rest of the hysterical accusations in this thread, and the editors are not "Eliz.Warren dolts".

    You can do what you like regarding even the tiniest amounts of Mercury, and all medical procedures entail risk. The hysteria in this thread and in the "natural news" it linked to are not science or even rational discussion.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My point of view was that I have seen Mass and Boston as a liberal leaning state and city. Just my observation. However, their initial article is just as flawed, in that they claim "research has proven this is not true" without so much as quoting such research. That is the same reporting we see throughout the media, claims with no basis in fact provided. When I see that, I have to assume it is to fit an agenda.The article in the post is also leaning in one direction, as I did not find anywhere's where they BH editorial mentioned killing anyone, beyond the issue of vaccines not administered could be construed as such. My personal observation regarding the use of mercury is it should never be used for anything (it is in a lot of other things beyond vaccines), but any heavy metal, especially with the characteristics of Mercury, is obviously not for ingestion in any form. Substitution should not be that hard, you can get dental fillings with no mercury in them, I even had the dentists provide me the contents of the last filling material they stuck in my gob, because of that. Although I didn't have them rip any out, figuring any mercury has already leached out years ago...
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not everyone writing or speaking in any state is liberal. The assumption that the Boston Herald is liberal was false, and so was the hysterical misrepresentation of the editorial beginning in the original post starting the thread.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, no state is "all liberal", however the press and the politicians can be, and you find the unwashed masses in the rural districts exasperated and outvoted by the plebeians who know so much more than they (city dwellers) such that you cannot tell that. The entire left coast is a perfect example of such mob rule...
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    I could argue that "Adhering to their enemies" would apply to politicians.

    Adhering - to be devoted in support or allegiance; be attached as a follower or upholder.

    Alliances, philosophical, which are acting on by politicians and go against the Constitution, violating their oaths of office, could be considered treason. Frankly, I wish it would. We'd get a lot less anti-Americans in office.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The post and the hysteria supporting it are contrary to Ayn Rand's philosophy of reason and science and contrary to the purpose of this forum for intelligent discussion, which presumably people come here for. It doesn't have to be "about" Ayn Rand's philosophy.

    The hysteria includes misrepresenting the Herald. All of it is an embarrassment to the forum. And now we see another conservative trying to morally intimidate us into going along with his misrepresentation of the Constitution because on the authority of claiming to be a "veteran". Rejecting that is not an "embarrassment".
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No one wants the death penalty for the paranoia. Read the editorial in context and the more serious comments here rather than taking the latest round of hysteria at face value.
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    Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why are you still commenting as you said this post is not about Ayn Rands philosophy?
    Why keep "embarrassing" your self.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd highly recommend reading the actual paper which Dr. Andrew Wakefield was disciplined for before you pass judgment on him. Note that 13 different doctors were involved in examining and treating the patients described in the case study which is his alleged "crime." http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lan...

    Further note that the second of the three doctors who fought the judgment that the article represented professional misconduct (Prof. John Walker-Smith, the supervisor who approved and oversaw the children's treatment and the publication of article) ultimately won and was cleared of any wrongdoing: http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/brit...

    If you listen to Dr. Wakefield speak, I think you'll find him to be a very intelligent, caring, and skilled doctor. He strikes me as similar to an Ayn Rand character: a talented, productive person who has been unfairly persecuted by corrupt government officials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6DuB...

    If your curiosity has been whetted and you want to know more about Wakefield's perspective through this ordeal, his autobiographical book Callous Disregard is enlightening: http://www.callous-disregard.com/
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    Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Herald did not "call for violence against those who question vaccines".
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interestingly, the Boston Herald article isn't the first to call for violence against those who question vaccines. https://www.thevaccinereaction.org/20... I think both articles are part of a concerted effort to demonize those who have legitimate questions about vaccine safety and/or efficacy. I think it's also part of a larger strategy to "divide and conquer" the masses.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who are the clowns voting down the fact that the Boston Herald does not support Elizabeth Warren?
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This veteran thinks it does. "All enemies foreign and domestic" is the oath I swore, as did they. I suppose it's how you define "war" and "enemy" and whether knowingly violating your office and offering support to enemies of this country Constitutes an act of sedition.
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  • Posted by zagros 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It doesn't matter. The law is very clear. Making war requires an actual plan to overthrow the legitimate government by use of armed force. Sorry but what you are referring to simply isn't treason. It is still illegal and should be punished very severely. However, you cannot call it treason.
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