You're not an engineer unless Government says so - and why this is bad for free speech
It's no wonder that this is coming from Oregon, but the effect is the chilling of free speech. If the Government can prevent anyone but those whom they "license" from speaking out about certain issues, they become a censor.
AMSE boiler codes et al saved a lot of lives, and the government was not required.
Here are some more links on the Oregon unlicensed thinker, but the public criticisms are too narrow, conceding government "licensing" control while saying that this example only goes too far in what at least for now still supports the 1st Amendment. If the progressives can link it to 'hate thoughts' against social controls with red lights, even that will end.
https://youtu.be/IIPYcCii7Sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xVC...
https://youtu.be/Wi4brP0sXSQ
http://ij.org/case/oregon-engineering...
PE is generally irrelevant now.
The PE would have to have "responsible charge" over the design, otherwise it's "doc stamping". In other words, a PE gets to bill a bunch of hours to comply with the law, and then it's her/his skin on the line if something is wrong.
There's an Internet acronym for I am not your lawyer (IANYL) because the state bar will go after even the appearance of practicing law, regardless of if there's a legal services agreement in place. There's no I am not your engineer (IANYE) acronym. Engineers are lousy at this. Captain Kirk argues with Mr. Spock and Dr. McCoy about whether sleeping with the alien is affecting his judgment, while Scotty is in the background getting stuff done.
How do you get any kind of license? You pay for it.
The driver's license I paid for arrived Monday.
The concealed carry pistol I paid for arrived yesterday.
Checks for two car tag stickers are in the mail.
Whee! Everything at once.
Never mind that I also need to see the dentist about a molar cap I swallowed while waiting to see how much my dental insurance will pay for $855 worth of other work.
I like to think engineering is not as strict about licensure as law and medicine because engineers look at the larger picture and see it for what it is. I think lawyers and doctors are likely ON AVERAGE (certainly not all) to take the claim on face value that licensure is for public safety and they're not going to question the issue b/c it's outside their area of practice.
Bingo. And whomever has the power to tax/license has the power to control.
I'm sure Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would be appalled, however.
Anyone who has any condition adversely affecting his health is not safe from the dictatorship of the AMA. That is caused by licensing, not remedied by licensing.
The "logic" defending government licensing implies that no could do anything without government approval. That is the opposite of a limited government in a free society under which we are free to act unless expressively prohibited as a violation of someone else's rights. Requirement of advance bureaucratic approval before acting is totalitarian.
There is widespread opposition to the suppression of freedom of speech by the engineer in Oregon, but it almost universally concedes government licensing, which means you are allowed to speak but not think and act on your knowledge without approval. Do people really support that, or are they unthinkingly parroting what they have been told by statists thousands of times throughout their whole lives? Would they just as easily object to freedom of speech (as many already do) if that had been the 'tradition' they grew up in?
https://youtu.be/fFoXyFmmGBQ
Thanks for the short informative clip. My Grandmother volunteered for the Degree of Honor
Fraternal organization in the 60's. I still have a small life insurance policy she purchased for me. The fraternal approach allowed the members to have power over provider of the treatment. Could not have that. Time and again it is the same old story. The govt fix is like pouring gas on a fire to put it out. Let's see , worry about a certain group hellbent on your destruction
Bring them in unvetted and pay for them. Turn affordable medical care into the unaffordable care act. Control Education and institute a numbskull curriculum . Force equality when it goes against reality : doing a bad job or service is not equal to a job well done . A well utilized talent with skill and ingenuity has no ethnicity, bloodline or nationality it is the INDIVIDUAL that produces.