Why Do People Become Communists, and Why Do They Stick With It?

Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 6 months, 2 weeks ago to Philosophy
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Communist and particularly Marxist aren't talking about opportunity to succeed but opportunity of outcome which they themselves could not achieve. Most failed to achieve anything of value to others but at their core, loathed having to prove themselves worthy and therefore were often found wanting; and yes, most hard core communist and marxist could afford to be, by inheritance alone if not by the keeping of others that felt sorry for them.
These are the great unwashed and will always fail in the attainment of their utopia because humans are just not the same and never will be...thank goodness, I say.

I think Ayn Rand was not only accurate in her dissertation but was harsher than my commentary here...She lived it.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    The reason Communism has failed in foreign countries is because they lacked the pep, gusto and the never give it up optimistic stamina of good ole' Yankee Ingenuity.
    Long live the progressive dream! May it achieve full fruition across the safe spaces of the fruited plains!
    A capitalist racist moneybags may have forestalled the slippery slope prepped by O the Great and Powerful but do not give up your hope for change.
    The Evil Hag may have been bumped out of her entitled place in line but many other more than equal elites await to serve the will of those needful to be ruled.
    Yes, comrades, we the most exceptional of all snowflakes can make anything work in the USA. Just ask Bolshevik Bernie!
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    • Posted by mccannon01 6 months, 2 weeks ago
      Oh my, oh golly, pshaw! How can you say Communism failed? Given its main goal is to make everyone equal and given the only place on earth all humankind is "truly equal" is in the graveyard and arguably Communism has made millions and millions of people prematurely "truly equal", then it has to be declared a huge success!

      Oh wait... most living people with a brain would rather do without that kind of success!
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      • Posted by  $  allosaur 6 months, 2 weeks ago
        Trouble is, such equality is always ruled by Animal Farm more than equal elite betters.
        One can also argue the inequalities here have the same sort of elite rulers, but at least they don't throw you into reeducation/concentration camps or stand you before a firing squad of anti-aircraft guns.
        Well, not yet anyway.
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        • Posted by  $  nickursis 6 months, 1 week ago
          And the Animal Farm law is what always prevails, because there is no "natural" goodness that will emanate from humans. It is always a competition on an individual, familial and tribal level. Look at our politics, it is exactly that. We even have a Chief we regularly have to , uh, replace...
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          • Posted by  $  6 months, 1 week ago
            Only because we have not been allowed to be good. We see this trend since the fall of Babylon. The teachings and understandings of our bicameral ancestors was that we have the potential to be better than our Mammalian instincts.
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            • Posted by  $  nickursis 6 months, 1 week ago
              That may be entirely true Carl, but here is the problem, I believe. You have instincts, which are delivered with the package, then you have "teaching and understandings" which neeed to be imparted. Control is established over both the methods and the information in those teachings, so you can program your younglings with whatever programs you want, like, selfishness, inward focus, no discipline, emotional decision making, fear of enemies, obeyance to your authority. Sounds like the Progressive Millennial Program to me....We got to focused on ourselves and lost control of the schools in the 70's, and it went downhill from there..
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              • Posted by  $  6 months, 1 week ago
                And loss of control of our own behavior and thoughts...that's what consciousness and the Mind is all about.
                Man can not live successfully and honorably by brain alone.
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                • Posted by  $  nickursis 6 months, 1 week ago
                  So true, which is a reason for some form of spirituality, to balance the mind and emotion. Yet the mellenials seem to get focused on what they can scam next, or who...
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    I think a main reason is they have not learned an alternative. As children, we are not born understanding that there are goods and services that come from means of production plus some human labor and that all of those are finite. We certainly not born understanding factors of production come mostly from human effort and ingenuity. We're not born understanding the concept of "making money", a phrase Rand loved, how someone can buy junk that was in my way, fix it up, sell the fixed-up stuff that had been junk, use the profit to create a new business that helps even more people, and as a result have way more wealth for all involved in the trades. Maybe it's obvious to us, but it's not obvious to a kid. And it's not obvious to some adults if no one taught then.
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    • Posted by  $  6 months, 2 weeks ago
      Nor if they Never grew up for what ever reason. As a kid, I understood creating value but lacked the ability. As I grew I created some amazing things from junk I found...for me on that front, resources were abundant and I enjoyed the process just as I do today.
      But a lot of this was my up bringing and my choice of any and all degrees of personal sovereignty. These days, kids chose not or perhaps that decision doesn't exist for them and they are not as determined like I and many of us here were,
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  • Posted by Jstork 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    The Twentieth Century Motor Company comes to mind. Our Canadian social system is beginning to look that way. My sister who contributes to society has to pay for needed medication while some of her tax money goes to free, clean injection sites and drug antidotes for druggies. The list goes on and on.
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  • Posted by  $  rbroberg 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    Marxism is hilarious. It denies a divine presence while maintaining a future, stateless heaven of equal, peaceful living. It denies consciousness while maintaining a promise to incredible scientific achievement. It promotes altruism in order to achieve fairness. It defines all consciousness as bourgeois and all existence as a natural resource. It's the philosophical stance of a spoiled toddler all dressed up in a sweat stained Che Guevara t-shirt.
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  • Posted by NealS 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    Wow, “The Marxist vision” paragraph reminded me of the Democratic Party. That’s perhaps why some of our own friends and relatives might always just vote democrat, without any thought or reason whatsoever. They just belong to the party, so they don’t need to waste any more time leaning anything else.

    It also brought a question to my mind. Do politicians really know the facts, the truths, behind the lies and rhetoric they spew to get elected? Or are they just as blind as the masses of voters that actually believe in their lies and nonsensical rhetoric? Which relates to another question, has Nancy Pelosi based her latest raging rhetoric against the new healthcare bill on any facts, has she even read the bill yet? Her followers will believe it anyway.

    These issues, lack of real education, including all the media bias, are the things that are really preventing this country from achieving utopia. It’s really a shame that once people figure it out it’s just too late, they are too old and tired, they die before they can expose and influence enough of our youth to the truth. Maybe that is part of why dictatorships work (for the dictator), it’s just so much simpler.
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    • Posted by  $  6 months, 2 weeks ago
      I think they are NOT conscious human beings...somewhere in their heads is a mexican wall! or the great wall of china preventing them making contact with the mind. I call them: Parasitical Humanoids...just a brain in the body...much like the transhumans google and others want to create.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    It's a question of "internal" versus "external validation." Eric Hoffer: "There is a fundamental difference between the appeal of a mass movement and the appeal of a practical organization. The practical organization offers opportunities for self-advancement, and its appeal is mainly to self-interest. On the other hand, a mass movement, particularly in its active, revivalist phase, appeals not to those intent on bolstering and advancing a cherished self, but to those who crave to be rid of an unwanted self. A mass movement attracts and holds a following not because it can satisfy the desire for self-advancement, but because it can satisfy the passion for self-renunciation."
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    • Posted by  $  6 months, 2 weeks ago
      Kinda goes with what I posited...they want equality because they know they are not equal to those of us that have a brain AND a mind, are conscious and have a conscience and can create values like no tomorrow.
      They were the pilgrims, when communism was first tried, that did squat in the gardens, binged on the bootie and allowed those that tended the work to die.
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      • Posted by jimjamesjames 6 months, 2 weeks ago
        Yep. Couple more from Hoffer that reinforce our thoughts:

        The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.

        A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business.
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  • Posted by  $  nickursis 6 months, 1 week ago
    Marxism is simply theft and plunder wrapped up in psychobabble nonsense about "fairness and equality". The idea of collective effort to a goal has never been a long term successful process for one simple reason, people do not percieve their effort at the same level. What one thinks is great work digging a 4 foot trench, another thinks is "pussyness" and digs an 8 foot. Are their efforts equal? Is the value equal? Heinlein killed a lot of the arguments in his discussions in Starship troopers, look up the one about "value" and what justification people have for "fair". As he said, what right to life does a person adrift at sea with no life jacket have? Marxism simply is an easy way to dispose of personal responsibility and transfer it (along with all the power) to the state, which will immediately do what every state has done before: abuse and use it for their own interests. Our history has 250 years of this, and yet we refuse to learn from it. The most successful people were the independents who went out in wilds, and made their own living, and hated any government coming along. Henry Fonda was a perfect character for in in "How the West was Won".
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  • Posted by  $  Temlakos 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    I would apply that to practitioners of "abstract" or "pure" science, also. Of course, no one has thought of implementing the John Galt model for funding basic research. Which is: to offer the results at a price to interested investors and managers, as John Galt did.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    The concept of a communal society with equally shared property is probably older than historical records. Plato, who claimed to be documenting the ideas of his mentor, Socrates, described a communal society in The Republic. Even then these brilliant Greek philosophers recognized that the only possibility for such a society to have a chance of succeeding was to grab children at an early age and brainwash them to dedicate themselves selflessly to the state.

    What Socrates couldn't see was that the dynamic economic environment of even a modest sized human community was too complex for effective state control. Succeeding adherents to concepts of communal societies haven't been any brighter.

    Mark Levin's Ameritopia nicely describes historical concepts of Utopian societies and how they fail. Each human is as unique as their fingerprints, which is the flaw in Utopian thinking, which always relies on a homogeneous population. For some reason, communist thinkers always miss that point.
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    • Posted by  $  blarman 6 months, 2 weeks ago
      In The Republic, Plato argued for a tiered or caste system regimented based on the intelligence of the participant. It also allowed for no vocation selection: you went where your intelligence dictated: if you were a farmer you would always be a farmer and your children were likely to be farmers, just as the ruling class would remain the ruling class and their children would likely follow them. It allowed for very little diversity and established what amounts to a nobility. Plato's view was that it wasn't as much about brainwashing, but that one's intellect made them naturally gravitate toward that which would maximize the use of that intellect: those who possessed less intellect would do things requiring little intellect such as farming or mercantile while the more intelligent would be the soldiers and the most intelligent the rulers. But Plato's proposal doesn't take into account human differences very well.
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    • Posted by  $  6 months, 2 weeks ago
      Brainwashing children at an early age was standard practice in Sparta...it was really quite sick.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 months, 2 weeks ago
        The state rearing children was practiced quite a lot well before Hitler youth or the Young Communists. The Ottoman Empire took non-Muslim children of conquered populations and brainwashed them to become an elite military force called the Jannisaries. You're right about the Spartans. Their treatment of children was quite brutal, with the newborns that appeared sickly abandoned on a hillside outside of the city to die.
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        • Posted by  $  6 months, 2 weeks ago
          Not to mention the pedophilia in order to establish a relationship with older men...each having the others back...I guess they couldn't just grow up and do the right things...young boys were bread for this and everyone thought nothing of it...quite a bizarre meme.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    The closest thing to communism in the animal world is the social insect. The hive structure of bees, ants, and termites reflects a system where the hive is the primary organism and the individual insects are like component cells in that organism. As is the case with communism the hive is more important than the individual. I think it was Lenin that observed "The citizen is like a brick in a wall." This suggests that it is the wall that is important and the citizens are simply interchangeable parts of that wall. So from the perspective of the communist citizens exist to support the government. In a system that prizes personal liberty the opposite is true. Government is justified only to the extent that it supports the citizen. Of, by and for the people is the key concept that separates personal liberty from the collective.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    This article was originally published yesterday in the FEE daily newsletter. As i I said there:

    I suspect the fundamental appeal of socialism is based on the acceptance of the Primacy of Consciousness rather than the Primacy of Existence as a metaphysical belief.

    Sunk Cost Fallacy, Tucker's suggestion, yes, but I suspect it is what we see is a typical aspect of Cognitive Dissonance.

    The most difficult beliefs for people to examine are those beliefs which have been:
    (1) held for a long time,
    (2) adopted before age of reason, and
    (3) most often repeated.

    Research involving several thousand studies over the last sixty years universally concludes people respond to dissonant beliefs by using one or more of three key strategies.

    First, they might ignore the dissonant belief. In essence saying, I don’t want to believe it, therefore it isn’t true. Or explain it away by saying the leaders corrupted “true” socialism. This, as the psychologists would say, is a form of repression.

    Second, people experiencing cognitive dissonance might reduce the importance of the conflicting belief. This is evident by phrases such as “I’ll think about it tomorrow,” meaning I have more important things to consider. This, as the psychologists would say, is a form of evasion.

    Third, they make the newer conflicting belief consistent with the older belief by twisting the evidence, then claiming the beliefs are not really in conflict. This, as the psychologists would say, is rationalization.

    Finally, for most people there are some beliefs are not amendable to change. In fact, it seems the older the person the less likely they are to change beliefs.
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    • Posted by  $  blarman 6 months, 2 weeks ago
      There is also a veneration of parents that goes into this as well. It is often very difficult for a person to depart from what their parents taught them - be it positive or negative. Thus in many cases a child's behavior is very much a reflection of the teaching they have received from their parents. It is no wonder that the goal of Progressive thinking is to take the parents away from their children as much as possible.
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