Watch this all-electric ‘flying car’ take its first test flight in Germany

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years ago to Technology
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Now this is interesting, if it pans out, I would think you would need some autonomus system, but it would also need to be extremely robust and hack proof. Imagine some goober dropping car to the ground for fun? Or blackmail? Although it could be possible to have a set of basic controls. Although I do not see that they are talking about a car/plane type thing, it is just go up and down, no ground travel. But a very cool idea.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years ago
    Air traffic control will suddenly take on a whole new meaning. Before this or any other street-legal aircraft "takes off" (pardon the pun), two things become gilt-edged priorities:

    1. Who owns the sky? Who therefore has the right to direct or toll traffic in it?

    2. How do you assess the risks, to the pilot, to other pilots, and to people on the ground, of creating such a large class of amateur pilots so rapidly?

    The Objectivist solution to the second problem is easy enough. In the USA, Underwriters' Laboratories could take over all regulatory functions of all agencies. UL are the primary risk assessors for the entire insurance industry for consumer electrics and electronics. If we abolish government regulation today, UL could start to take that over tomorrow.

    The first will be much harder to iron out. Rand's treatment of electronic airwaves suggests a possible solution. But even she never dreamt of ordinary people flying VTOL aircraft--else Dwight Sanders would have designed one, and it would have been very useful to the Galt's Gulch Air/Land Militia in its rescue of John Galt.

    Any ideas?
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    • Posted by $ jdg 7 years ago
      UL does a decent job, but I would be wary of greatly broadening its reach lest it become more of a bureaucracy like OSHA or NHTSA, both of which are not only rather incompetent but also overly concerned with prolonging their existence and expanding their power. I'd rather see lots of competitors with UL.

      Current law does answer "who owns the sky," though of course the answers will be tinkered with if personal aircraft become very common, just as it is now being tinkered with because drones of various types are becoming common. I expect these changes in the law to continue to happen pretty slowly, because of the large number of pilots and airport/heliport operators who will have to learn and follow the changes.

      Besides which, I expect this technology to follow the same pattern as other consumer gadgets when they were new, including the car phone and home computer. The first versions of each were so cumbersome and expensive that only a few thousand people in the US got them. Then the market worked out the bugs, and 20-30 years later the mass market got the toys.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years ago
    It's not a flying car. It's an electric short range helo replacement. (Wings are fixed and much too wide for a single highway lane. As you stated no ground travel whatsoever.) The alleged advantages appear to be unrelated to being electric.Any bet they are getting looter funding because it is electric, not real fuel? A gasoline powered version might be possible with longer range, lighter weight but it's still not a car;^).
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years ago
    When I was a youngster I watched Jerry Anderson's "Supercar" and love the idea of a flying car. I still think it is a viable concept. If this German prototype can be classified as a ultra-light craft it could have a chance at being marketed in the US. I like the idea that it's electric but again you still a problem of flying range and where to recharge. There is another American inventor that ha be trying to build an air car using rotary gas engines set in moveable nacelles. So far, he hasn't succeeded in any real flight time. I still would love to have a flying "Supercar".
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years ago
    These will likely be flying robots, since air traffic in an urban area will need automatic control. Climb in, punch in your destination, and it navigates for you.

    Until the glass electrolyte battery technology is commercially available, the range will be short. Estimates are that the glass lithium battery will have 20 times the energy density of lithium batteries today, and we'll see an explosion of electric vehicles of all types when those are available.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 7 years ago
    Why not ground travel? Even if this were restricted to near-surface use, flying at 10' above the ground over unpaved (but perhaps marked or electronically tagged) surfaces would be very useful.

    It would mean that you could ride a fence line or monitor livestock or build a roadless house in the wilderness.

    Jan
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    • Posted by $ 7 years ago
      Yes, another reason you would need some sort of manual inputs, but perfect for such use.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 7 years ago
        I think that a good parallel is that Africa and S.Am will not have to go through the phase of 'stringing miles of copper wire on poles' in order to have telephones. With this type of development, 'building networks of roads and bridges to access countryside' will similarly not be necessary for areas that go into development post roadless-travel vehicles.

        This is also tangentially related to the Fermi Paradox.

        Jan
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        • Posted by $ 7 years ago
          Technology has the ability to make great steps available for low costs, especially to less developed areas. There is a town in Oregon for sale at 3.5 million, and one of the descriptors is that it is in a part of the state where "people drive for 30 mins to get a cellphone signal". The US still has it's "less developed nation" parts too.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 7 years ago
            There is also a dead space along Hwy 1 in the mid-coast of California. (I camp there.) So, yes, I certainly agree. (It would be nice to know that if something went wrong while I was camping, I could call for help...no such luck.)

            Jan
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            • Posted by $ 7 years ago
              It also would seem a problem for all would be "autonomus car" makers (my company Intel is way overboard for it), and that is, if they need the cloud to provide them all their data, guidance, entertainment, etc,what happens when you DO hit a dead spot? Never thought of that one in all their propaganda they put out to us....hmmmm..
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years ago
    I have a colleague who is a fan of this and invests and serves on the board of a company trying to do something similar. Apparently its very tricky to transition from helicopter aerodynamics to a plane's. If they could get it working, though, its first application would be medical helicopters in rural areas where higher speed is desirable.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years ago
      Oh, there are a huge number of possibilities that being just one. The fact they say it will be automated is an issue with me, I do not like the idea of getting a vehicle that goes up and hoping it gets me where I need to be, and does not get hacked into going somewhere else. If they cannot keep user information secure today, how can they protect something needing aerial data? Military is another possibility, and police.
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