Man dragged off of overbooked United flight A man was dragged from an overbooked flight from Chicago to Louisville by uniformed men after he refused to give up his seat. Other passengers post videos

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 1 month ago to Business
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So when they cannot get enough people to "volunteer" to get off, they have a computer pick the "victims" Pretty Friendly Skies, eh?
This was to allow 4 United crew to fly to Louisville to staff a plane, but wouldn't it be orth having a small private jet available to shuttle the crew? Would seem a lot more efficient and customer friendly..


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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    A lot of people have that opinion. I used to use Continental because they flew to Gulfport MS when i was trying to care for my father. So I go sucked up into them, I still have 29K miles to use, maybe.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, that's a whole different can o' worms, but going by the points currently on the board, the airline did not have that option. To make my own position clear on the subject of United Airlines: subsequent to the employee buyout of the airline in the early '90s, United has devolved into one of the worst airline companies in America today, an airline I avoid at all costs. But that does not alter the issue of civilized behavior.
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  • Posted by Jstork 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Nicely said. "Let the market decide." I don't know why I didn't think of that. True capitalism and freedom.
    Thanks
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    So, it would seem the union rules would trump the passengers rights. Time to re-negotiate as it was a bad set of rules in the first place. There are, and should be, many alternatives, but they will always seek the "easy" ones.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 7 years, 1 month ago
    Something to keep in mind: Given union rules, no airline can just shove its employees into a taxi or some other conveyance at whim, as an alternative to bumping paid passengers for the same purpose.

    I'm not going to argue in favor of police breaking someone's nose and knocking his teeth out, but I - and nobody else here - witnessed what Dao did at the outset of the forced removal.

    What is directly perceivable in the video of the incident is that Dao began screaming like a wild animal from the moment the police moved toward him with the intent to physically remove him. It's uncertain whether he started screaming before they even touched him, but rational people do not refuse clearly-stated instructions from police, much less begin screaming like stuck pigs and expect the police to say, in effect "Oh, well we've clearly upset the man, maybe we should just leave him alone and go home now." We do not know whether Dao physically resisted the cops - which would be a criminal act in itself - but that too is a possibility that would definitely contribute to the level of force the cops used.

    I'm not a big fan of conservatism or of the National Review, but they published a piece on the 11th that makes some good points about reasonable vs. unreasonable actions, by Dao, United and the cops alike. And no, even if you've bought a ticket, you do not own the plane and you do not own the airline. In the case of claiming breach of contract for being removed from a flight solely for the airline's convenience, civilized people take the issue to court, after-the-fact. There is no such thing as a "right" to refuse or to physically fight against armed police and to expect them not to respond in kind:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article...
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Just a news story about, say, some but not all defective sea containers, can affect overall fickle stock trading.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Amazing how much movement one story can make, even false accusations can be a weapon in stocks...
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
    Now the plot thickens, the police have suspened the other 2 cops, and are saying basically that this is not in their job scope, and it's funny that United (and Oscar) indicated they had every right to call them and have them do their bidding. Seems like the plot is starting to fracture and everyone is running for cover and the cops will be the fall guys....

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/additional...
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Go for it, probably need some reference material, in that Obama care alone was 1800 pages, and they produce like 400 pages a day in DC, might be a lot....
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly. But Hyundai has a good idea, 100K power train, and 60K bumper to bumper. Got 47K on my Elantra, it is twice as big as the Fiesta and gets same MPG (and the doors don't fall off). :)!
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    255 million today, so maybe they made up some lost ground...Oscar DID apologize and change his story to match the narrative...
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It would be a good post to see the view points of the gulchers on utilities and refineries and public transportation and regs.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    That is one of the questions you hear a lot of variation on. Some would say a free, unfettered market is the only way to go, where even safety and basic traffic regulations are a hindrance. If you went that route, you would pick an airline based on cost, and "deaths per mile". Where does government stop and business begin? Supposedly, according to Federal regulations, United was required to provide the person a written statement of why he was booted and what options were available. That didn't happen, so a lawsuit seems inevitable. The problem with "total freedom", while it sounds good, the kids in the business world will pursue the worst, cheapest choices (just as United did and they are heavily regulated) to make the most, before they go broke. I feel there is a place for some controls and basic rules in a lot of markets, simply to make some framework that must be worked within.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, certain industries that provide the tools and infrastructure that allow us to produce and be industrious makes sense i.e. Utilities. Or The airlines giving us the chance to now move freely about the country. The overburden is the waste or redundancies.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, according to the Republicans thery DID deregulate airlines. Of course there are now 4 or 5 to pick from, from the 15 or so 30 years ago, so bad things will come no matter hoe it is cut.. When the last 2 giant airlines gobble each other up in the US, they will re-regulate because it is a monopoly. Of course that restarts the whole cycle. Look at banks...
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    So very true , the mountain of regulations needs to be mined , get rid of the over burden.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It's market forces constrained by a mass of regulations. In a free market, airports, airport security and all related goods and services would be private, and paying customers would have a wide choice of accommodations (including guaranteed seating).
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I could tell the CEO created an atmosphere of real arrogance, and it probably goes all the way down through the rank and file. I wonder if they will dump the CEO (gets $1.2 million a year !)
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    They do own the plane, but they also offer it for hire. Once onboard, you should have a reasonable expectation that you will go from point a to b without being thrown off. At some point there is a contractual liability. They cannot have it be "You have to hope we decide to get you there..".
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