Ryan opposes Trump working with Democrats on healthcare

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 11 months ago to Government
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A classic looter malfunction. "We couldn't make enough deals and buy off enough votes, to get all the special crap we wanted to cram in, so Trump won't play with us and let us milk it a while until we can make enough deals". Maybe Mr. Ryan needs to stop being a corrupt politician trying to make the special program for us peasants that is no better, and just repeal Obamacare and put in place some rules about the main issues like portability and a provision for some kind of pre-existing condition. Even then, it is something needing some morality training, as on one hand, it is not good for everyone else to carry the sosts of sa few, and on the other, if nothing is done, then the few get stuck with no healthcare . Both sides have quandaries as to how much should others be forced to pay so a few can get the mega expensive treatments, or get a policy when they have a condition that requires such? Maybe a catastrophic program that starts after a set costs is reached would be a better answer and fund it off the taxes already paid in by health care companies. Of course, then some other pork needs to go, and the looters seem incapable of making the hard choices.
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 11 months ago
    Get the government out of the healthcare (insurance) business anyway. Free enterprise is the only thing that can eventually start to bring it back into affordability.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 11 months ago
    Screw Ryan. He had his chance. I'm giving up on getting rid of this concrete block around our necks.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
      The problem is he represents the Establishment Republicrats, who are just the polar opposit brothers of the Dumbocraps, leading us to the ultimate conclusion no matter which of the 2 parties are in power, the results are doomed to be the same: Skewed laws to their special interests and contributors, and NO concern for the public opinion or well being. Therefore, the system and them must go. I keep going back to the Convention of States as the only remote possibility to break their grip on power.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    Ryan opposes Trump even when it appears he's with Trump.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 11 months ago
      A funny thing happens in my mind when I hear Paul Ryan speak. I get a flash back to that old Soviet mouthpiece Vladimir Posner who smilingly tells us something while knowing full well "that ain't it" and there's really a different game afoot. I get an even worse feeling in my gut because I'm thinking that about a Republican. Here, in the Gulch, I'm supposed to be rational even in my attempts at humor/satire, but this is a genuine feeling we're screwed - again.

      Oh, does any of the more seasoned in the Gulch remember ol' Vlad besides me?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 11 months ago
    Both Trump and Ryan have proven why I didn't vote for one and wouldn't have voted for the other.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
      It was a difficult position for people as the system had reached a monumental peak of corruption in giving us a choice between an established criminal or a "want to be". I saw an article last night on a new movement trying to create a "centrist Party" that has no affiliation but would seek to get a few senators in who would be neutral parties to try to control the 2 zealot parties from doing their crazy crap.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 11 months ago
    The biggest problem is that U.S. health care is too expensive, and the cure is radical deregulation and introduction of competition in all health-related goods and services, not just insurance. This includes ending state and federal licensing of medical schools, hospitals, doctors, pharmacists; removing most of the power of the Food and Drug Administration; and enabling doctors and patients to freely contract on issues such as malpractice limits. Reallocating existing costs and benefits is a zero-sum game that plays into the hands of the Democrats, since they will never run out of “victims” to parade throughout the mainstream media. If the Republican Party is serious about fundamentally reforming health care, now is the time to show it.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 11 months ago
    Rand Paul has a four page plan that would be painful at first but better in the long-run.

    Failing that, as you say, they'll have to ensure portability and provisions for preexisting conditions. The insurance covering preexisting conditions would be necessarily expensive, so they'd need some kind of tax credit so the poor could buy it, and perhaps a tax to keep the credit from driving up the deficit. They'd also need to make sure people don't manipulate the pre-existing condition rule by waiting until they're sick to buy insurance. The good thing about such a plan is it's already enacted in the from of the PPACA.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
      I have a lot of respect for Rand Paul, he has never appeared to be a "my party only" guy, his proposals have always been seemingly based on facts, and consider the best case deals that can be made in a bad situation. His problem has always been he never seems to want to throw in the sink, kitchen and RV for the Republicrat special interests, like they did with their last attempt, where they removed the limits on Health Insurance CEOs and removed the rules that made them tax excessive compensation. CEO should not be a get rich scheme for CEOs in health care, despite being a "for profit" business, it is hinged on something people do not have a choice in getting.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 11 months ago
        " CEO should not be a get rich scheme for CEOs in health care, despite being a "for profit" business, it is hinged on something people do not have a choice in getting."
        Yes. I think the only determiner of whether you get rich should be if you provide value to people and then invest/save it wisely instead of blowing it.

        The thing about not having a choice is more complicated than it sounds. With healthcare, our society appears to be unwilling to let someone die/suffer because they cannot afford a proven treatment. So responsible people not looking for a handout should build up wealth and/or buy insurance to pay for an expensive injury or illness. You can't insure against them once they happen, so everyone who doesn't have the wealth to self-insure should buy insurance before they're sick. If they don't, though, then we have a problem. Typically other people get roped into paying anyway. So why not admit it aloud, I think, and just make people buy the insurance rather than getting a free ride and roping others into paying.

        The answer why not is when gov't gets involved it gets very messy. If we get gov't mostly out with a four-page plan that hands money to the poor as Rand Paul's plan does, most people will rise to the occasion. People who (unlike me) don't like even the modest handouts to the poor can debate them at a future date. They're much easier to change than a big "system" like PPACA.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
          That is the conumdrum and it is a moral and ethical, as well as social issue. There are probably many options, but I would think a catastrophic health plan that is government funded, is about the only way out, and everything else is on your dime. Maybe that is what all employers should provide and you pay the smaller stuff, but you always have the issue of the poor and unemployed etc. It is a very complicated issue and NOT one our incompetent stooges in DC (both parties) are even remotely fit to take on.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 11 months ago
            "Maybe that is what all employers should provide and you pay the smaller stuff,"
            If it's employer-linked, it ought to be structured so it doesn't discourage people from changing jobs, going from a job to owning a business and vice versa, and doesn't make employers worry about paying for potential employees health problems. I think it should be separated from employment. It's only linked because during WWII employers offered it to get around gov't wage controls. The link between employers and medical purchases is as problematic as it would be if employers had to help employees buy housing, transportation, or food.
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  • Posted by Zero 8 years, 11 months ago
    I don't think anyone who supports Trump can continue to use RINO as a pejorative.
    Seems part and parcel for the new day, don't you think?
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