KACZYNSKI

Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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An interview of Ted Kaczynski By James Patterson. The Unibomber, Kaczynski has an I.Q. of 177: "It's simple really. The more we ask technology to do for us, the more power we have to give it. Right now the world's most brilliant minds are designing artificial intelligence and robots that they think will solve all our problems but will only spell doom for the entire human race! Human beings can't handle this kind of power.Who could? Once AI and robots are in place, they will either destroy humanity outright or give one person -- the head of Google, say -- a measure of godlike power that Caligula never dreamed possible.Right now, who is really more powerful? Google or the NSA? How about tomorrow? I tried to stop all this from happening. I saw what was coming."


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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't automatically discount truth. The Unabomber has nothing to offer.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is a bad practice to automatically discount a truth because it happens to be mouthed by a maniac. Keep in mind also, that all truths are not beneficent, so that understanding an evil truth makes it easier to cope with it.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A rambling lunatic steeped in viro left misanthropic nihilism who happens to stumble onto an occasional out of context truth is not worth listening to let alone citing for whatever he says that happens to be true regardless of whether he understands it himself. You have to know what is true on other grounds before you can even go out of your way to recognize the coincidence coming from Kaczynski. A stopped clock is 'right' twice a day, too, but you don't know when unless you already know what time it is. The clock doesn't know and neither do you by watching it.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "But would the world be a better place if everybody had earned a 50 percent higher level of self-esteem, by living consciously, responsibly, and with integrity? Yes, it would – enormously."
    Branden
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, Not much to disagree with. His cognitive dissonance clashed with occasional clarity.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This all started when Cro-Magnon realized that he was different from other animals. All animals except men are forcibly compliant with their environment. They live or die depending on how well they deal with their environment. Man, on the other hand found that when his environment became too hostile, he could do something to change that environment. That was the first thing that man did that completely set him apart from animals
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It would be interesting to put such a study side by side with Branden's "The psychology of Self Esteem."
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "[T]he two main tasks for the present are to promote social stress and instability in industrial society and to develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology and the industrial system. When the system becomes sufficiently stressed and unstable, a revolution against technology may be possible...

    "We have no illusions about the feasibility of creating a new, ideal form of society. Our goal is only to destroy the existing form of society.

    "But an ideology, in order to gain enthusiastic support, must have a positive ideal as well as a negative one; it must be FOR something as well as AGAINST something. The positive ideal that we propose is Nature. That is, WILD nature: those aspects of the functioning of the Earth and its living things that are independent of human management and free of human interference and control. And with wild nature we include human nature, by which we mean those aspects of the functioning of the human individual that are not subject to regulation by organized society but are products of chance, or free will, or God (depending on your religious or philosophical opinions).

    "Nature makes a perfect counter-ideal to technology for several reasons. Nature (that which is outside the power of the system) is the opposite of technology (which seeks to expand indefinitely the power of the system). Most people will agree that nature is beautiful; certainly it has tremendous popular appeal. The radical environmentalists ALREADY hold an ideology that exalts nature and opposes technology. [30] It is not necessary for the sake of nature to set up some chimerical utopia or any new kind of social order. Nature takes care of itself: It was a spontaneous creation that existed long before any human society, and for countless centuries many different kinds of human societies coexisted with nature without doing it an excessive amount of damage. Only with the Industrial Revolution did the effect of human society on nature become really devastating. To relieve the pressure on nature it is not necessary to create a special kind of social system, it is only necessary to get rid of industrial society. Granted, this will not solve all problems. Industrial society has already done tremendous damage to nature and it will take a very long time for the scars to heal. Besides, even pre-industrial societies can do significant damage to nature. Nevertheless, getting rid of industrial society will accomplish a great deal. It will relieve the worst of the pressure on nature so that the scars can begin to heal. It will remove the capacity of organized society to keep increasing its control over nature (including human nature). Whatever kind of society may exist after the demise of the industrial system, it is certain that most people will live close to nature, because in the absence of advanced technology there is no other way that people CAN live...

    "As for the negative consequences of eliminating industrial society—well, you can’t eat your cake and have it too. To gain one thing you have to sacrifice another."

    Compare that with Ayn Rand's The Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution. And compare it to Earth First's Live Wild or Die journal in the 1980s and 90s that Kaczynski was reading -- including their issue in 1990 proclaiming in a quote by International Workers of the World leader Bill Haywood, "Sabotage means to push pack, pull out or break off the fangs of capitalism", accompanied by what they called the "Eco-Fucker Hit List" with names and addresses of their enemies, including the California Forestry Association where Gil Murray was murdered by Kaczynski.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 3 months ago
    What is the "interview of Ted Kaczynski By James Patterson" you are referring to?
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think he was not as much of an eco-freak as he was fearing the possibility of some sort of technical singularity.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes rants . Thanks. I have no respect for the Unabomber or any other vigilante murderer.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I think that there are several brands of jihadists in bitter conflict among themselves. To point to them as an example of harmony makes no sense to me.
    Homo sapiens is a form of life on this planet. As all living things, it is driven by the three most basic drives: to survive, to adapt and to procreate and multiply. Built into that is competition for space and for supporting resources.
    With sizeable portion of the population illiterate and having no idea what the word philosophy means, how do you expect to conquer those basic drives? It would take a utopia to make it happen - with the reality left behind.
    From bands of kin, to tribes, to related tribal groups, ethnic identities in empires, to nation states, we arrived to United States as the first experiment in nationhood ignoring ethnicities and races: the melting pot. Well, you can see how well that is working even two and a half centuries later.
    We must accept the reality of slow evolution.
    EDIT: Missing words and spelling.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He certainly rants at them -- much of it psychologizing and superficial rambling to the point where most of them wouldn't recognize themselves -- while holding the same core beliefs himself. "The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend" -- especially philosophically.

    He ranted at both the left and the right establishments. Kaczynski was a loaner paranoid over any kind of establishment. He didn't join viro organizations either, staying by himself as a hermit in the wilderness. The viros didn't know who he was, but he hated industrial civilization, read their radical publications, and acted on them to target his last victims.

    The last one was Gil Murray of the California Forestry Association, which had been fingered by the radical viros and which is certainly not the left. You can read the gory description of that and Kaczynski's motjves Ron Arnold's Ecoterror. The list of Kaczynski's bombings is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kac...

    He was in no way even remotely intellectually allied with us against the left or anything else, quite aside from his murders that almost everyone opposes.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The history of demoncraps is well documented and their brains are still split, otherwise they would be self inspecting...just cause we call them out doesn't mean that they made the sky fall...it just means they have been a constant pain in the butt and we are tired of it.
    Once man, (some men), became self aware and introspective, that rudimentary physical split was bridged and integration or wisdom was made possible...but that too, doesn't mean we engage in that process...sadly.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only on the surface or in front of the camera's Dob.
    Under that surface lies self hatred expressed and blamed upon everyone else...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not to mention that they have caused these problems with their own faux and demented altruism...meaning "we the people" have been sacrificed, not them...I say, their faux so called intelligence makes them "Useless" idiots...either way we look at it, it spells, compartmentalized bull crap...no matter how high the IQ number.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I doubt that, since the human brain is bicameral, except for an extremely large amount of discovered knowledge about reality, humans are any more advanced toward living than were the pagans. Billions of humans still believe in gods and goddesses controlling Nature. They still depend upon evolutionary built emotion systems to determine quickly whether others and the rest of nature are for them or against them. Your pejorative 'demoncraps' is a small indication that your bicameral brain is working well in the 'demon haunted world' of bicameralism.
    Are split brained or single hemisphere humans any more free of evilness and irrationality than the normal brained human? I would guess not.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The lack of introspection among the Dems is astonishing. If it sounds good, it must be good, say the usefull idiots, who in reality are otherwise fairly intelligent persons. They are seduced by the sufferings of humanity and think that altruism is the solution. At the same time, they'll all agree to the give them a fish versus teaching them how to fish is the best way to go.So many screwed up premises, I'd have to write a book. Oh wait, she already has.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By harmony I mean working together for the same ends. The Jihadists have that in abundance, but because that end is evil and therefore that harmony is evil, it cannot truly lead to peace or happiness in a sane world. The end result can only be just about everything negative one can imagine.
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