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Trump budget proposes cutting 80 programs - a great start

Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 1 month ago to Government
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No fluff to this article - surprisingly. I only hope Republicans get with the sentiment and cut out a few more. This is a good start.
SOURCE URL: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-budget/


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  • Posted by philosophercat 7 years, 1 month ago
    Here are some executive orders to cut spending
    1. No agency can spend more then $350/hr on lawyers consultants, or experts including expenses. This will make firms use the bright young people.
    2. No agency can hire ad or PR firms for advertising to or informing the public.
    3. Each agency must reduce its leased office apace by 15%.
    4. No agency can lease charter or own an airplane or boat except for operational functions ie firefighting Supply etc
    5 No agency can send more than 15 people to a conference or meeting.
    Lots more where these came from but its billions
    and
    6 Close 25 military bases in US and 35 abroad.
    7. Sell 20% of all Govt cars by 2018
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  • Posted by GaryL 7 years, 1 month ago
    I'll be thrilled when he starts dumping entire useless agencies all together. Another pet peeve I have is all the government owned lands outside of designated national parks, sell it to buyers who must pay the comparable tax rate other land owners pay.
    My state, NY owns millions of acres of land in what it calls parks, all paid for by our tax dollars, and the first thing they do is restrict access to the public tax payers by many means. I have heard it said that 95% of these park lands are only ever seen by 2% of the people. 18-30 somethings who are in shape and willing to hike 5-10 miles in to some remote sight or pond in the deep forests.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
    The swamp is very deep and has a lot of alligators. If cutting these programs can be done by exec order, he should just DO IT. We elected him to accomplish these things. If the congresspeople wont go along, they should be voted out.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      See my comments below to CBJ. What you propose is unConstitutional. The role of the President is to faithfully carry out and execute the laws. We already had a President that for eight years arbitrarily chose what he was going to go irrespective of Congress. I don't think we want to repeat that just because the new President is from a different political party.

      The President can advise (via a budget or talks with Congress) about certain programs, but once Congress funds them, the President is bound by the Constitution to carry them out.
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
        I dont want to be stolen from anymore. Maybe they will have to just come and take it from me in the future by force.
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        • Posted by DeanStriker 7 years, 1 month ago
          Well, without Force no GOVERNment can survive. Only "IT" decides what IT wants to do and HOW to steal from it's "citizens" to pay for it's socialistic and "defense" objectives. All that has been the way of this world forever.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
          I wouldn't tempt the IRS if I were you... ;)
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
            i am getting more and more interested in minimalism. What you dont spend, you dont have to make or pay taxes on. The goodies of american life are great, but there is a price and its getting too high. Lets c if Trump can slow down socialism at least a bit.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
              What you're talking about there are consumption taxes. They've been bandied about by various parties but all they really do is encourage a black market. I'd rather go back to what the Constitution enumerated (import tariffs) or a flat federal income tax like that proposed by Herman Cain and Rand Paul.
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              • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
                right now we have a tax on everything, assets (houses and cars and "sins" as well as business property taxes), excise taxes on phones and utilities, consumption (sales) taxes, AND income taxes (city, county, state, and federal). The swamp is deep and inhabited
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
                  Yes. One at a time. State taxes are a paltry sum compared to Federal Income, SS, FICA, and Medicare taxes.
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                  • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
                    they get you coming and going though. If you are retired, the state and local taxes are the big ones. If you are working and are NOT an illegal alien with lots of kids, the federal ones are the majority.we have illegal aliens working in small shops in this area, and they dont pay any income tax, and get grants for their kids (refundable tax credits). Its pretty sick
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 1 month ago
    The article says Congress would have to approve the cuts. I'm not sure why. I thought Congress would have to pass legislation authorizing the spending for the next fiscal year, and that Trump could veto such legislation. How much power does Trump actually have to eliminate programs?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      According to the Constitution, ALL funding bills must originate in the House of Representatives. It's a mere formality/courtesy that the President submits a budget to Congress. As head of the Executive branch, the President is charged with executing the duties laid upon him by the Legislature, so it's quite appropriate in my opinion that he be asked for how much money he thinks should be allocated toward accomplishing those missions. But that doesn't mean that the Legislature has to do what he says. President Obama's budgets (when he even bothered to create them or when Congress actually presented a budget) were frequently so ridiculous not even his own party voted for them (the two budgets he presented tallied a combined ONE vote).

      So ultimately, it isn't Trump choosing the eliminate these programs, it would be Congress - by choosing not to fund them. Which seems entirely appropriate given that they had to sponsor them in the first place.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 1 month ago
        I see several ways that Trump could defund certain programs even if Congress authorizes them:
        (1) Veto any spending bill that authorizes and funds such programs.
        (2) Sign such bills ("to avoid a government shutdown") but refuse to spend any money on objectionable programs on the grounds he considers them unconstitutional. (I'm thinking specifically about Planned Parenthood and public broadcasting subsidies.) He does have this authority - see https://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/olc110...
        (3) Issue regulations or executive orders to oversee such spending in minute detail and, to the extent possible, slow it down to reduce its effectiveness.

        These are just three potential strategies to derail unneeded spending. Undoubtedly there are others.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
          (1) would be wholly within Trump's purview and is Constitutionally provided for.

          (2) I would note that this is an Executive Branch advisory note written by a Justice Department lawyer. It does not hold the rule of law as such. I would submit that the President would be better off to employ #1 above or #4 below. The duties of the President are to "faithfully carry out and execute the laws of the United States" whether he agrees with them or not. His Constitutional refusal lies solely in the Veto power - if he chooses not to use it or is overridden by Congress, that is where his power to object ceases. Any other form of objection should subject the President to Impeachment proceedings for dereliction of duty and/or obstruction of justice.

          Case in point was President Obama's illegal granting of amnesty. This was specifically beyond his powers and for this action not only did the Supreme Court rule against him, but Congress had every right to (and should have IMO) Impeached the President. A President who decides at his own will and pleasure which laws duly passed by Congress to enforce sets himself up as an imperial tyrant and should not be tolerated.

          (3) This one is just #2 lite. The purpose is still to take it upon himself to oppose a duly passed and legal law. It is not up to the President to decide what is Constitutional. That role is left for the Supreme Court. He can and should advise Congress (using the Department of Justice) as to the legal and practical viability of various laws, but once the law has been declared legal and has passed through the requisite Constitutional processes, he is under solemn obligation to carry them out.

          I would propose that one that is legal is #4 - executive discretion. There is a judgement call involved in carrying out the will of the Legislature as per any Act of Congress. (For a humorous definition of an "Act of Congress", see Dave Barry's book Dave Barry Slept Here.) A President could - under executive discretion - act within the confines of the directive to a limited manner or extent based on the resources granted. This is only a marginal effort, however, and is likely to be a result of partisanship rather than real Constitutional objection.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
      I really wonder about that. He cant even repeal obamacare to take effect in two years, and let the market come up with alternatives on its on in the meantime. I dont want Obamacare 2.0
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