Oroville Dam: Photos taken weeks before spillway broke show something wrong

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 1 month ago to Government
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Kalifornia is really the poster child for bad government. Their crazy govenor is committed to building a multi billion dollar boondoggle train, yet their dams collapse, and their bridges, due to poor design and maintenance. Yet they keep re-electing the same crowd to Sacramento. Lemmings at heart..
SOURCE URL: http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/11/oroville-dam-photos-taken-weeks-before-spillway-broke-show-something-wrong/


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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago
    This was "the feeling" in Cal. Just 2 years ago during a 4 year drought the kind of drought that have been said to have lasted 300 years long in the past . I hope he didn't break his arm patting himself on the back.

    Peter Gleick, president and co-founder of the water policy-focused Pacific Institute, began modeling the potential effects of climate change on California’s water supply 30 years ago, with the results suggesting this kind of event would happen.Edited. "It’s shocking in a historical context because we’ve never seen this bad of a snowpack. It was not shocking in the sense that we sort of knew this was coming, and we just didn’t know when,” Gleick said. “This is the new unpleasant reality” for Western water, not just California.

    Today the snowpack is at greater than 160%+ of normal.
    In one month the cost to repair has climbed from $200 million to $300 million. I wouldn't be surprised if they double that.

    How many of their own laws and permits and regulations do they need to break and ignore to make the emergency repairs. There are hundreds of heavy diesel trucks ,earth movers , caterpillars, right in the Feather river itself digging andhelicopters dropping bags of rocks all only miles from the fish hatchery.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      And you do have to wonder how many permits were filed, paid for, reviewed and approved, and made it through the EPA. None. Yet they still screw it up. It is like their 65 Billion for a few miles of train track, Kalifornia is such a corrupt mess, if they are not used for the model of "how NOT to have government" someone missed a good Phd paper.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago
        They are not past the danger point if they have a fairly rapid snowmelt and rain accompanying the melt it could top the dam again that is why they are working at a brake neck pace. I hope they are able to manage the flow.
        In California The brain washed enlightened ones and, the desire for superficial hipness and Social acceptance means not much will change but further erosion of Liberty. Much like water cutting through rock.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 1 month ago
    Most governments when dealing with flood plain issues only look at the five-year flood plain. Some look at the fifteen-year one. None ever look at the 100-yr or 500-yr ones, however, and this is what they are dealing with here: at least a 100-yr floodplain event. SOP is always to kick the can down the road for some other person to deal with. Of course the progressive playbook is also to use an emergency like this to justify massive spending and change rather than to proactively plan for events ahead of time.
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    • Posted by Flootus5 7 years, 1 month ago
      And then there is always this year's 100 yr event.

      Like snowmageddon's, polar vortex's, coupled with the lack of memory of what has happened in the past.

      Look at the snow depth in the Sierra Nevada compared with the Donner Party winter. There are spots up there in excess of 27 feet of snow this winter. What was once received with joy as a source of water and and a world famous snowpack for skiing.

      Now, it is decried as a crisis seeking federal emergency relief funds.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 1 month ago
    "Sacramento Lemmings" pretty much says it all.Having lived in California for a number of years and visited many of its cities and parks, I can say first hand that here is a state with as much beauty, farmlands, cutting edge electronics and more, than any place on earth. And, it is being squandered and thrown away by the very residents it could benefit. It is the madness and arrogance of the left . They are those who can plainly see the results of their bad policies, yet prefer the agenda to the reality.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago
      The brainwashing , the twisted value system the collectivist agenda is exported from LALA land via the entertainment industry. The stars largely have been willing participants. That makes sense, because to promote the leftist agenda you have to be able to lie with a poker face.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 1 month ago
      Herb, this is exactly my comments to a good friend yesterday. As far as I'm concerned this state is absolutely gorgeous. It's an amazing place. It's sad to see what's happening here.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 1 month ago
    Not only the train, he has been pissing away $60 billion in water bond dollars trying to figure out how to build 60 miles of enormous tunnels to 'bury' the Sacramento River under the San Francisco Bay Delta to keep it 'fresh' and easily transported to LA.

    He's a nut-case. Build more dams, store more water, no need to submerge rivers.
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  • Posted by walkabout 7 years, 1 month ago
    So lets think long term. Droughts in this area happen "all the time" in geologic time." If the moisture can't get over the coastal ranges it can't precipitate on the Rockies, thus feed the state's people and agricultural needs. So, much of the Central Valley is near sea level. I propose they create a "basin" in the CV about 50 to 100 feet deep (below sea level), then use a tunnel boring machine to connect the New Inland Sea to the Ocean - about 75 miles as the mole digs -- This would quickly fill an evaporation source (and for climate change fanatics lower the ocean's sea level. For the entrepreneurial types this would create recreational (boating,sailing, diving, swimming, resorting etc.) and mining opportunities (salt and ?), probably promote intra-state transportation. Could even use windmills (at the cost of killing birds and bats) to create a higher tier of "sea" further South (at higher elevations) with the same benefits (rain/snow) and side effects -- business growth.
    Same plan could "fix: the dead sea in Israel (and generate power there) and help agriculture in Australian by changing the part time Lake Eyre into the Eyre Sea. Just solving problems.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      Probably something in this. A few issues, such as what evaporation changes would do the the "ecosystem" leading to a bunch of lawsuits, but maybe a good idea to look at.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
    Government exists today for the promotion of government and its minions. Any results that help citizens are just unintentional side benefits.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      That should be a bumper sticker. Maybe we need to start a list and make some and sell them on a "Gulch Shop" site? Although my car would be quickly wallpapered, there is so much material to work with here....
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 1 month ago
    Just plain lazy. As governments tend to be with anything they manage. Some of them can't even get police or military right. Which, of course, prompts calls for "rational anarchy" as an alternative to the Objectivistic government model, which is: police (and maybe other first responders), military, and law courts.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 1 month ago
    decades before Katrina hit New Orleans, residents had been told the next hurricane would breech the levy...the govt did nothing and residents went along with it, counting on the fed govt to bail them out...
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 1 month ago
    Perhaps Jerry Brown should realize after all this time, there is more to being elected, there is making sure things are done right! Now, the state has the massive mess at Big Sur to take care of. Who is there, the Army Corp of Engrs. Shame the state did not leave the US, keep Nancy Pelosi home, and pay for these messes themselves. Now they want all the immigrants on welfare in the state as well, regardless of their origin. Looney state government, always with the hand outs, but not there to do what needed to be done.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years, 1 month ago
    This shows the lack of knowledge in Water Hydraulics. Climate change has nothing to do with the dams impending failure. The poor training of inspectors I'm sure has something to do with the mess they're in. A number of years ago I took a course in Waste Water Management Certificate program where some of the mechanics of water hydraulics was taught. I'm wondering what kind of certification the dam inspectors have in California?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      Uh, belonging to the "right" (Dumbocrapic) party? I am not too sure much of Kalifornia's bureaucracy is hired based on skills or knowledge, it seems a "you must be politically reliable" kind of place.
      So, the answer to your question is probably "the Dumbocrapic Party Card certification".
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 1 month ago
    Looks to me like the Richmond, Va. Sixth Street
    Marketplace "boondoggle", only the Richmond
    fiasco was not nearly as deadly.--(But then, this
    is Virginia). Government should be chopped down
    to its proper function; don't expect great results when governments insist on meddling with matters they don't understand.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      No, Richmond has "Mount Garbage" and all of it's issues with the river. MY son lived there and I was amazed at how that mess has been continued for years since no one has a better plan...
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