That's why I'll never be a good researcher. I haven't the patience to sort through the crap. I just go about making cogent comments based on my vast experience, and the simmering inventions of my bubbling brain.

Yes, I got it wrong Herb, I was answering a Carl post before, sorry, getting old...ha! You are absolutely right on the fact there is a huge amount still to learn, and a lot of it gets squelched when it doesn't fit the existing mold. Thats why YouTube is interesting, just a lot of crap to sort through.

I have reason to doubt your sincerity. And who is Carl? Is he old and ugly? On a more serious note, we haven't solved 1/2 the mysteries of former civilizations. Recently uncovered civilization 6,000 years old, and in the tens of thousand that homo sapiens has been around, isn't it possible for there to have been dozens, of past civilizations, many of them overlapping one another but isolated by distance.

Uh, OK Carl, whatever you want buddy.....Cthulu it is....:)

You guys and your rational solutions. The truth is that an underground water deity (probably Cthulu) arose and wiped them out.H.P.L. knew the truth.

Yep, normally the warm salty water would cool and sink and go south, but the fresh water made it less dense so it didn't sink leading to a mixing to occur. So the warmth of the gulf stream stops and cold takes over, until the oceans chill enough to restart. They keep claiming they are seeing something like that for the last few years off Greenland, but no one seems to notice.

Exactly.

It's Complicated

In the days of the Roanoke Colony, relations with the local Native Americans were mixed.

Roanoke was geographically located in the crux of sociopolitical friction between the Secotan—who held sway over Roanoke—and the Chowanoke, who controlled the nearby waterways.

Tensions were especially high between the colonists and the Secotan tribe.

"There is no doubt that there was a lot of hostility," Klingelhofer said. "Not all the tribes were hostile, but some of them were hostile. They felt imposed upon. There was fighting between [the groups]"—both among the tribes, and between some of the native peoples and the English settlers.
settlers, who arrived in 1587, disappeared in 1590, leaving behind only two clues: the words "Croatoan" carved into a fort's gatepost and "Cro" etched into a tree.

Theories about the disappearance have ranged from an annihilating disease to a violent rampage by local Native American tribes. Previous digs have turned up some information and artifacts from the original colonists but very little about what happened to them.

Yes I remember a documentary on that. The intense fresh water in flow to oceans enough to raise the sea level by 50+ feet. The fresh water is heavier than salt water and it would sink and stop the Gulf Stream from moving warm water north.

Oh, a whole different kettle of eels, but I want to see them find whatever is buried on Oak Island. That is a good show if you haven't seen it.

The Clovis people are covered in a lot of speculative history books, simply because there is not a lot of material on them. They were said to actually occupy from Mexico to the upper midwest, as evidence of Clovis workings have been found all over. The Clovis point is considered the first "true" sign of man working materials with skill and consistent design.

The conveyor belt broke when all the fresh water poured into the North Atlantic, no one has ever addressed if there was any evidence of particulates, although under the Comet theory, it would apply, and, as they pointed out, there was a huge outflow of fresh water on both coasts, effecting both sides, as there is a similar conveyor in the Pacific, and the scablands re evidence of the huge amounts that went out there.

I would be inclined to think the conveyor belt as well as the nuclear winter aspect of particles in the upper stratosphere

Well, now that we've settled that, we can turn out attention to whatever happened to the Roanoke settlers.

Thanks.

There are all sorts of theories about this, that and everything else. I happen to live in Clovis and that is a big thing out here on the High Plains of Eastern New Mexico. The site in Blackwater Draw and the Museum, run by Eastern New Mexico University, are usually only frequented by the college students and people that study old things. The parking lot at the museum is right on the highway and it is usually empty except for the car of the person who works there. Not even sure it is open except by appointment. The Blackwater Draw site gets more attention, but that is only because Oasis State Park is right there. I never heard of Clovis Man until I moved here but that seems like a different lifetime ago.

Go check out Graham Hancocks books or YT videos. He may seem a bit weird, but his logic is sound as to a plausible "who, what where" explanation for what happened 12000 years ago. He addresses iridium, the comet scenario and talks about all the different peoples across the world that either disappeared or had stories.

Me dino either missed or forgot about this theory when it first surfaced at about Year 2002 when I was catching a heavy load of mandatory overtime at the stinking state prison I'm happily retired from.
I consider the Clovis disappearance with an It Came From Outer Space coincidence a theory worthy of more research.

Actually I watched a documentary where a Japanese scientist proposed the "ocean conveyor" theory, that is the warm currents running along top, as the cold sinks in the north and heads south. The Ice dam break was sufficient in his model to break the conveyor, causing the Younger Dryas to occur. One thing that did occur to me was the Ice Age did end, and I don't think it was because of the CO2 from man, so how does that figure into the big argument? Maybe it is a cyclic thing, or caused by another source they do not want to acknowledge?

Yes, they seemed to appear, then disappear. Not easy to even document with a lack of any written language they can identify.

I have been fascinated with them, especially watching "meteor men" back when it was around. Those guys could zero in and find stuff and it seemed pretty lucrative. The issue of an impact causing the Younger Dryas has a lot of scientifically provable data behind it, dating back to the 1900's as Dob pointed out. Graham Hancock sort of assembles a lot of it and provides a detailed argument for not only it, but for the possibility an advanced civilization had existed and got knocked out, with some of thie people wandering around and providing a "kick start" to civilization again. It does explain a lot of fables and stories from around the world and how some civilizations seemed to have advanced knowledge (like astronomy) without having to resort to the alien theory.

The platinum issue is a widespread metal indicator, but the iridium is sort of the "gold standard" for impact events. That was the big issue when a group proposed a strike in the ice sheet of Canada, that also struck several otherplaces all the way to the middle east, they found iridium at several hundred sites, indicating whatever it was broke up. Yet, those who do not want to believe facts, just pooh pooh them and say "aint so". Now this surfaces about 15 years later and no one seems to upset. That is why I point out the recycled nature of it.

I kept looking for some mention of iridium, an outer space mineral that's a geological layer marking the end of the dinosaur age.
Reading about platinum is a first for old dino.

The deeper problem is the very existence of the Clovis people whose culture is similar to the Mousterian of the Old World. The Mousterian stone age people were Neanderthal and supposedly died off 40,000 YA when Cro-Magnon supplanted them. That colonies survived in the New World where they had no competitors may not be that surprising... assuming a means of crossing the Atlantic...

Empedocles of Acragas c. 450 BCE having found sea shells in the mountains of Sicily drew the obvious conclusion....