jmlesniewski I did reply to your original comment, however this thread is getting awfully long and is hard to keep up with. I still don't see the difference between the candidates, but I respect your opinions.

Yes, does that mean I have to agree with him?

I agree, he is a fascist, not a socialist. Obamacare is fascist in nature since it forces you to buy something. The reason I won't vote for Romney is partly because Obamacare was taken from the Romneycare blueprint. Mitt Romney is a fascist also. I don't think it matters which one wins because they're both steering us toward a 'fascist states of America'. I hope you're right that if Romney wins things will change. I too want to avoid a civil war, which is why I'm supporting the libertarian movement at this time.

No, because too many well intentioned people have bought into the fallacy of 'the lesser of two evils'. If Johnson can get 5% of the vote, it'll smash the two party system, and we'll be on course for the 2016 race. I see Obama/Romney, Republican/Democrat as two heads on the same beast. Call it Looter/Moocher if you will. I want to create a start in the right direction. It's a shame Ron Paul was shunned by the GOP, this would have been a lot easier and more productive with him at the helm.

Voting for a man who supports the indefinite detention of American citizens does not advance totalitarianism?

Here you have explained how, though perhaps misguided, Romney is seeking to defend America. Obama is not.

Oh I don't expect to win. I expect to create a start.

A vote for Romney does not advance totalitarianism.

"Obama is willfully looking to destroy capitalism and individual freedom. Romney is simply a pragmatic that does not understand."

Ding ding ding.

Did you not watch the video?

I already did. You ignored it by responding with an abstract unrelated comment.

A=A. Can Johnson Win or not?

You continue to Argue that Romney is bad too. I have not disagreed with that. What I have disagreed with is a vote for Jonson being well reasoned.

Do you think Jonson can win?

I heard the same thing about Ron Paul last election, even bought into it and Ross Perro (spelling is wrong I am sure) before that.

Voting for a third party will not work, but I respect you choice to do so.

Robbie,

I think if Obama gets back in we will complete the journey started when the federal government decided the continental rail was to big for the private industry.

We will have a fascist or communist America and Obama will get a third term, not as president of the United states, but likely as president of the fascist states of America.

I hope he does not win, and if he does I hope I am wrong. The only option left to us will be a second civil war and I think we should do everything we can to avoid that end.

My principles are based on facts. Romney is not interested in freedom and has said so himself. He supports the NDAA, the patriot act, airborne assassinations of American citizens by drones. He wants to bomb Iran and expand the wars in the middle east. Wars which cost the country trillions of dollars. He won't cut the deficit, he'll expand it further. Voting for Romney or Obama will not help us push back toward freedom because 'the lesser of two evils' has been used on us for decades and has caused this slippery slope.

Gary Johnson is the only real choice if you want to strike the irons and start something new.

Libertarians and anyone who has unbiasedly researched both Romney and Obama will never vote for either one of them, so trying to convince us otherwise is a waste of time. I find it sad that so many people want the votes of the libertarians when they were so blatantly ignored during the primaries. The media ignored them, and the establishment republicans ignored them. And now they want our votes? We're supposed to toe the line? Who is really right on these issues? Are we not so frighteningly correct that we're ignored because of it? I think our issues are so intense, so far out there toward true capitalism and freedom that the establishment will ignore us entirely until we show a force in this election period in the form of Gary Johnson.

By all means, vote for Romney, I pray that it'll do some good, but facts state that he is a statist at heart, and is only interested in power. We'll see what happens.

I'll do what I can for liberty and free markets with my blog site and my comments on here, and I'll respect others decisions, but facts are facts and they must be stated if we are all to have informed votes.

I vote for Romney or Obama helps to advance totalitarianism. A vote for Gary Johnson begins the movement which will put an end to it. This battle will not be won next week. It is only just beginning.

Yes a second term for Obama might see the remainder of the nation become moocher. But will that include yourself? Will that include me? Will that include anyone in the Tea Party movement or anyone on this forum?

No unfortunately there is no Galt's Gulch, and hence I won't be sitting out the vote.

No I do not see a difference between Romney and Obama. I do not see a difference because I have done enough research to find out that they're practically the same. The only way forward is to take over the republican party from the inside, and put pressure on the outside in the form of the libertarian movement. 5% of the vote breaks the two party stranglehold.

Voting for Mitt Romney out of fear of Obama may insure the very vision which you are working hard against. That is how similar the candidates are. If Romney does win, I hope he is everything you hope he is.

We all ready have totalitarianism. Its about what is the best way to push it back and reclaim freedom to some degree.

A=A and facts are facts.

You will get Romney or Obama for a president. No other choice exists. You can only vote for or against these two. A vote any other way will only effect which of these two will win. So you wish to vote against Romney, that is your choice and I do not begrudge you it, but face the facts that voting thus makes it more likely we get Obama, especially if you live in state where it is close.

We know Obama wants to push us well past totalitarianism to either Socialism or Fascism. I am not convinced which. We know that is his goal.

Romney's goal is to be president. I do not know for sure what he will do, but I do think that he may be able to be shaped.

If we fix this right it has to come from congress first, or we are no longer constitutional.

Which of the two possible presidents is most likely to allow the legislative branch to fix anything and which is likely to block them?

Vote your principles, I have no problem with that and would expect nothing less. I will be voting mine when I cast a vote for Romney. Not becuase I think he shares my principlles but becuase facts are facts and I will not have to state that I allowed the Marxist/Fashist/Socialist enemy of the state back into the presidency because I thought this guy that did not have a chance of an ice cube in hell to win was better. If I voted for Johnson I would be voting in a way likely to help elect a man that wants to be king of the United states. I cannot allow 4 more years on a rocket towards that goal. If you can vote for Johnson because if you pull enough away from Romney in voting for Johnson we will get Obama.

A=A and you cant change that no matter how noble your principles are. You must face the facts. Johnson is not a choice, rule him out. Out of those who can win, which man do you think will block us and which man will let us take some freedom back?

So we should elect a man who doesn't understand the constitution?

Romney might know how to abuse capitalism, but he also supports laws which would destroy it, in the same way that Obama would.

The libertarians including myself will never vote for such an unprincipled man.

A vote for Johnson is not a vote for Obama. 1 + 1 is not 3 A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson.

Do you really think Romney would veto anything to limit government? As governor he expanded Massachusetts debt. He said he would have signed the NDAA, he supports the patriot act. Romneycare is the blueprint for Obamacare. This same Obamacare which was passed by the supreme court by a deciding vote from justice Roberts who was appointed by Bush; a republican.

This is not about left vs right. It’s about freedom vs totalitarianism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLqsRqKF...

Salutations fellow voters, I understand trepidation regarding voting for Governor Romney. I did all I could to support alternatives during the primary season. Unfortunately the emphasis on the superficial over the substantive, combined with a limited number of contenders willing to enter the arena leaves us with what we have. Pragmatism or Principle, the choice is yours. One of the two will win. We have not yet the numbers to influence it early enough. We must try harder in the future. Who has more integrity? That is for each of us to decide, but one has a track record I have felt, and rhetoric contrary to my rights, property and otherwise. The other has yet to deceive me or speak in a way that threatens my prosperity as our president has. Of the two, who will if elected likely do the least harm? Who if re-elected need not be concerned with another election and the corollary, the desires of the people? I desire a better legislature and a president that is not so ideologically driven that he can’t work with them. If we get a better legislature but have a president that vetoes everything positive, then what? We live four more years of the same? Can we afford it? Will we get a next time? Have a great weekend, I will check back in Monday. Respectfully, O.A.

Ok...well, to 'answer yours first' I'll just post a link to a video. There are tons, and you can research all of it. Romney is one of the biggest flip flips in history. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu7...

I would disagree. Obama is willfully looking to destroy capitalism and individual freedom. Romney is simply a pragmatic that does not understand.

If we get a good number of tea party republicans an perhaps a Libertarian or two in the senate and the house.

Which of these two men may be able to be persuaded to not veto legislation that would actually decrease the size and scope of government, and which would do all in his power to stop it?

A vote for Johnson is likely a vote for Obama rather than a vote for Johnson, and a vote for Obama is a vote to Veto anything small government that might make its way out of congress.