Is Patriotism Irrational? This article makes a compelling point.

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 6 months ago to Culture
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"According to Aristotle, humanity in full flourishing requires the goods that a political community affords—the materials goods of sustenance, shelter, protection by an organized defense, and the less quantifiable goods of education, the bonds of friendship, the opportunity for contemplation. Patriotism is the recognition of a debt.”

"Thus, patriotism is an expression of gratitude toward the country that provides these goods, much like the filial affection one should have toward one’s parents."

"Now, that said, Deneen is most assuredly an advocate of what might be called a “prudential patriotism.” He warns against an unreflective loyalty to one’s country that can result in support for “ignoble acts… at odds with virtue.” Patriotism certainly does not require that U.S. students should be taught to turn a blind eye to the evils that flow from their country with a shrug and a drawl of “Murica.”"

"The other extreme, however, is the ungrateful cosmopolitan—from the Greek for “citizen of nowhere”—who enjoys the benefits of a political community while returning the favors with only hostility and mistrust."

Does the above paragraph sound familiar?

I think in America, we definitely owe a debt to our forefathers, the idea and ideal inwhich created this country and we owe a debt to those that have stayed true to these principles; but, in no way, should we patronize those in government, in our name, that do unlawful harm to us and others...it is they that have betrayed our founding principles and therefore owe US a debt in the commission of their crimes...but, in spite of them, I still will gladly pay allegiance to our flag and to that which it stands.


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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, "kosmos" means world and even universe. The better translation for cosmopolitan would be a citizen of everywhere - and therefore a citizen of no specific nation in particular. "kosmetikos" from which might be derived cosmetics is not from the same root, however, as it means artificial or contrived. Knowable is "gnostos" - the root of the word gnostic. And yes, the "koinonikos" or common Greek is a kind of Middle Greek between Ancient Greek and the demotic Greek currently in use. I have several books in Greek which give side-by-side comparisons and they are very akin to trying to read Old English and Middle English. What makes thing a little easier in Greek than in English is that the differences in Greek are mainly spelling and grammar rather than wholesale alterations to words and meanings as we see in English. So if you can recognize the what-became-what one can (tediously) go back and forth.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
    I like Mel Brooks' cave man start of patriotism: "Hooray for cave number five and to hell with everyone else!"
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's it!
    What people don't get is that it's Not the Country that's the problem, it's the Government! and it hasn't been the "Countries" government in a long time.
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  • Posted by mminnick 8 years, 6 months ago
    We owe a debt to all who came before us and built this reat nation. Does it have problems -- Yex. Does it make mistakes -- Yes Are their things that need correction - again YES.
    The wonder of the USA is that all of the missteps and mistakes are generally correctable and out for the world to see (for the most part).
    No other country has the same freedoms secured by a fragile set of pages.
    Patriotism may be old fashioned and our country may be worse than I think, but even at it's worst, it is far better than any other on the tired old world.
    Just my two cents.
    BTW +12
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, we might give credit to at least 40% of the "Country" meaning US...the rest has gone wayward with the likes of our kakistocracy.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That would have been valid in 1776, but today it is not. The country created by the founders barely exists today and although we have it much better than in many other regimes, people are the creators of the goods and the "country" today gets zero credit. We should however honor the founders for their part in creating a place that once encouraged free market production and individual liberty. Giving credit to the "country" is an insult to the productive and allows statists to take credit for the efforts of individuals.
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  • Posted by Abaco 8 years, 6 months ago
    Interesting topic.

    The older I get, the less patriotic I become.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the premise was that the "Country" enabled and encouraged the creation, production and behaviors necessary for those "goods" to exist.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, but my overall observation of Cosmopolitan's today is simply compartmentalized bull crap or "Antilectual" as I define this new variation of intellect.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
    "Thus, patriotism is an expression of gratitude toward the country that provides these goods,"
    Where does the country get anything to provide except by looting?
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 6 months ago
    Totally wrong on many fronts. We can discuss the many virtues that make Americans and therefore America exceptional. Before that, we need to get past an obvious error:
    The other extreme, however, is the ungrateful cosmopolitan—from the Greek for “citizen of nowhere”—who enjoys the benefits of a political community while returning the favors with only hostility and mistrust.

    KOSMOS means "order". Cosmetics are how a woman gives order to her face. The universe is the Cosmos because the universe is ordered, knowable, predictable. The word "cosmopolitan" was invented about 300 BCE in Alexandria, Egypt, home of the great library. It drew scholars from all over Hellenike, all over the Koinon or "union." They even quickly evolved their own new dialect of Koinon Greek, which is, in fact, the dialect of the New Testament. They were not citizens of some polis but citizens of the world, with a global understanding of their universal culture. About that time, the Athenian orator Isocrates noted: "The name Hellene refers not a race but to a mind." In other words, you could be born a barbarian, but learn and adopt Greek values of reason, inquiry, knowledge, and self-awareness.

    Once we get that part right, we can look at what it means to be an American.
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