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Donald Trump refers to fictional Swedish incident as he blasts 'fake news'

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 2 months ago to Government
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Another good example of how Trump says what he means, but is so vague as to leave it wide open to media distortion. No doubt he is speaking to the fact Swededn opened it's doors to about 160,000 "refugees" and only 500 of them have been able to find work (since most probably do not speak swedish, not surprising) but there is a huge swell of media reports that Sweden is "politically covering up" the fact their rates of rape and violent crime have gone through the roof.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/01/...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/world...

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/ho...

So he is not making it up, it is real, but because he does not lower himself to being so nats ass specific even a moronic media person can interpret it, it gets skewed and manipulated. This is the core of Fake news, take a fact, and twist it...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 2 months ago
    There was an actual incident the night before that he was referring to...the lamestream just doesn't get it and they do not do their homework...Oh, that's right...they were never given "Homework"...they just got a star for showing up.

    Never thought I'd be defending a man I didn't vote for.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      No one seems to recall the 4 "foreigners" who live streamed a rape for hours a couple weeks ago, near Uppsala. That one died a quick death, but seemed pretty terroristic to me...
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 2 months ago
        Convenient isn't it.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
          Indeed, it supports the story that the Swedish government does not want any negative stories to be heard, as it would question their decision to accept 160K people with a serious disagreement with their lifestyle and overall religious outlook...
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 2 months ago
            The problem is, they don't WANT to be Swedish, no more than they WANT to be American. They may want to just bring their Culture, their laws with them; ignoring the rights of others.
            Trumpet, and whom ever first thought of it, are right in finding a safe place in the region because they do not want to change their lives for the better, grow up, learn, become conscious value creators and respect the property of others...those that do, are more than welcome but when their mysticism teaches them to do harm to others...how the Hell can you tell?
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 2 months ago
              We should encourage immigration of people who want to fit into OUR culture and values, and who will enrich our country through their knowledge, intelligence, and work. THAT should be the standard for allowing people in.

              I watched "border security" on netflix for Australia and Canada. They are a lot smarter on who comes into their countries than we are, and we are smarter than the stupid europeans who let anyone in.
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              • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 2 months ago
                You can thank the liberal one worlder collective of idiots for that.
                Yes, we will take your tired, your weary and huddled masses because they Want to come, not to mention, the whole reason they are tired, weary and huddled together is because their country of origin SUCKS!
                These are the people that become the Most patriotic of all.
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                • Posted by term2 7 years, 2 months ago
                  now, the immigrants seem to just want the goodies our socialist society offers and they want to recreate what they just left right here in the USA, but all the while getting the goodies WE work for. I am so done with that ! To immigrants who want that, I say NO and close the door.
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                  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 2 months ago
                    Me too...I'm tired and hungry due to being Forced to pay for everyone else; and that goes for government employees Too!
                    I'd rather share my meager bootie with my local community.
                    That's the way it used to be.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
              Well, Carl, I think you just hit the nail on the head. The Asian influx after Vietnam, had similar issues, by the Vietnamese eventually found a happy medium with fitting in and retaining their culture (although the Hmong had some issues up in Minnesota or Michigan a couple years ago). The Mid East culture seems to just be "My Wayr or My Way" and the brilliant people in the world (U.S., Europe, etc) just could not grasp that. I would have thought that 80 years of rinse and repeat in Israel and Palestine would have given them a clue, with Iraq and Iran as confirmation, but then I lack the high level phd required to be a "decision maker" in this world....
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              • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 2 months ago
                When we have a mass influx of immigration from any country that speaks not our language, they tend to huddle together, further inhibiting their integration.
                Didn't the crowding of black Americans into the cities have the same effect?
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  • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 2 months ago
    It's awesome that this morning another sanctuary city grabbed the third rail. An illegal immigrant was arrested for theft/burglary in Denver - ICE ordered the sheriff to detain him until they arrived to take him into federal custody. (Keep in mind the sheriff there takes Homeland Security money to enforce terrorism laws, etc.). They let the guy go (of course under Catch & Release), and ICE shows up looking for their inmate but instead get "we weren't 'required' to hold onto him". Less than a week later the guy is re-arrested for murder.

    Trump speaks a little bit in metaphors, but he is also speaking with a non-filtered factual incident at the base all the time. In the case of the "sanctuary city" nonsense, 80% of the voters polled agree with him. Don't enforce the law, you don't get any federal money.

    I'm looking for the Denver mayor to own up to this one. They were simply asked to hang onto the guy for a few hours. The victim's family should certainly sue.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 2 months ago
    Trump made the mistake of referring to "last night," which was the day he saw Tucker Carlson's Fox News show about Sweden's immigrant/refugee problems, not when any incident had actually occurred. It's ironic that the next day an incident exactly as he described it happened in Sweden. I suppose the Swedes will blame him for their problems now.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      Doc, what incident? At least everything flying around says the swedes are adamant they have had no incidents in months..(well except the rape on live stream, but apparently that doesn't count as "terrorist").
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 2 months ago
    Newt Gingrich once observed "Trump frequently uses three words when thirty would have been better." The point is that, for the most part his followers don't really care while his enemies seize on any opportunity to be hyper critical. I suspect that President Trump is crazy like a fox. He knows exactly what he is doing and much of his rhetoric is engineered to drive the Democrats out of their minds. Judging from the consistent hysteria in the MSM and other bastions of the liberal-progressive cadre he is quite successful. I must order another bag of popcorn, this is so much fun to watch.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 2 months ago
      Yep. He's really good at making them really lose it. I recently realized that I have several liberal friends that I really can't contact any more because they are so obsessed and upset they aren't capable of free thought. Being around them is really trying. It's like a psychosis. All they think about is Trump.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
        Go look at the article I posted in Culture about Remington, the guy who wrote it did a bang up job on why they are the way they are and what is going on, and does justice to explaining the whole concept of "Fake news". He even coined a new term for Snowflakes : "The new Walking Dead".
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  • Posted by GaryL 7 years, 2 months ago
    If memory serves me, when this country sucked because it was over run by tyrants we the people revolted, died in battle but took our country back. In every news story we see throngs of refugees fleeing their countries and it is mostly males between 17-40 years old. Guess they left the woman and children behind to fend for themselves because their culture teaches that woman are unimportant.
    If they don't like the way their country is being run then they should stay and fight to change it instead of being cowards. Here in the USA we just went through yet another revolution of sorts and threw the liberal tyrants to the curb by electing a complete stranger to our highest political office. It took decades for we the people to finally say we have had enough. For Muslims coming here from that region it has to be absolute culture shock and they want nothing to do with our culture. In reality they will be perfectly happy turning our country into the same horrible conditions they ran from. We call them "NO GO ZONES" and there are a few here already. Tell me if you can, where are all these so called "Good Muslims"? I certainly can't hear them.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      I do wonder why it seems that fighting the bad guys is no longer what you do. Running to a safe place (hmm, maybe the snowflakes are spreading their ideas) seems the only response.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 2 months ago
    Trump tends to think like a business man, where everyone is on the same page. He expects his audience to be more intelligent than they are, esp. the mainstream, who never check out anything. There as an incident involving existing immigrants in Sweden the night before, but not an all out Islamic terrorist attack, but still a bad scene. They are suffering the results of letting people of vastly different ideas and values into their country. Trump should have made it clearer, or better, let one of his hired guns comment on it.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 2 months ago
    The leftists would complain about EVERYTHING Trump does. If he opened the door with his right hand, they would complain he is not respecting left handed people.

    I just dont listen to it , and he shouldnt either. Just go and do what we hired him for- to be president and run the country as best he can.
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  • Posted by tohar1 7 years, 2 months ago
    I truly wish we had a press which cared more about reporting than they do about creating a story. You know as well as I do that anything President Trump says will be picked apart and distorted to fit the narrative that they espouse, ie. Trump stole the election / He's illegitimate / #NotMyPresident / etc.
    If they'd worry more about what's going on in this world AND REPORT IT, the American populace (& other peoples of this world) would be so much better off. People, there is EVIL in our time...
    There is a lot of crap going on in that really needs to have a light shined upon it...specifically radical animals who have no respect/regard for human life even if it is a "cultural anomaly" like some people want to excuse the behavior as. One can only hope we don't have to have another 09-11-01 or similar happen before some of these people wake up. "Oh...we have a problem? How did that happen?"
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 2 months ago
      The press makes its money by getting people to sit through the commercials. Thtas their goal and we should all recognize that. I have concluded that with rare exceptions, the news that they report just isnt that important to my life, so I dont watch or listen to or read it anymore.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 7 years, 2 months ago
    I like the way he wags the dog and they go off wildly, then, he's right... again. The media has to learn to wait, check, then talk. They haven't learn that yet, perhaps because they want to scoop each other and end up looking as fools.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 2 months ago
    This could be an example of another Trump strategy: Bring up a story that the media would prefer to ignore or suppress, thereby forcing them to cover and discuss it.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 2 months ago
    I heard a couple of months ago that the Swedish government had built public housing for the Muslim refugees, but the refugees didn't like the housing, so the government confiscated second homes from the Swedish people who had them and gave them to the refugees. I don't know if this is correct....sounds horrible, but the way things are going in that country, I wouldn't be surprised.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 2 months ago
      Yeah - that was happening last summer. I saw some articles in Breitbart and other rather questionable news outlets, but the sources were actually from advertisements in Swedish media. It wasn't a 'confiscation' as I understand it, or at least not last summer when I read about it, but rather they were guilt-tripping the wealthy into donating the country house for a poor immigrant (or dozens of them) to bunk-up in over the winter.

      It was really about throwing a guilt trip about renting out the multi-million dollar vacation home for the refugee housing allowance limits, basically. And no doubt showing up later to see the laundry on a rope through the kitchen, smoke stains, carpets wrecked, holes in walls, etc.

      http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/...
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      That is true, I am not sure, but one of the links I posted had a picture of it. Think of a rounded yurt, with wooden walkways. The Swedes are very pragmatic people, to them, a warm, waterproof dwelling is ok, even if not an architectural wonder...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 2 months ago
    I have (had) two friends living in Sweden. One was from there (he recently passed away) and one is a kid I grew up with who moved there over 20 years ago, started experiencing the Swedish women, and decided to never come back. The one who was born there told me about the media in Sweden getting caught covering up horrible crimes against women by the immigrants - horrible. My friend from America dated a lovely Persian lady (he's like me - equal opportunity) who's brother was in prison in Sweden for killing his Swedish girlfriend (quite possible there was a cultural mismatch there...). What has been happening is Sweden bothers me. It's not all over the nation. And, my friend lives in a region where there is little disturbance. My dead friend was even conned into joining a candlelight march in support of a group of young emigrant men there who had been attacked by the local men....for, as it turned out later, committing a gang crime against one of the young Swedish women. You get the picture...
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      Indeed, I would think the Swedes (who are a very "do your own thing" culture) are operating out of a sense of goodness and kindness, but when you push the boundaries of civility (which is also a common thread in these European cultures), stand by. The media in Sweden would usually play with the government, I was ther 1968-70, and they were whole hog for Olaf Palme and his socialist party. The Vietnam war and their acceptance of deserters became a real issue, because the deserters were identical to the refugees they have and they eventually were all asked to leave.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 2 months ago
        They are easy marks because they're never really been attacked like this. I heard them referred to as "dodo birds" and I think that's valid. My buddy who lives there would fit that description. What really, really bothers me is their willingness to stand by when girls are being harmed. I couldn't do it. I'd wade in with my fists flailing.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
          They have been raised in the ultimate culture of the Prime Directive: Noninterference. They were that way in 69 as well. Not new, just weird. But they are, as a whole, very nice, friendly people, and not well suited to what they had dumped on them, in a show of socialist "solidarity".
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 2 months ago
      Love it!
      (1) Trump makes a sweeping statement that implies (not actually states) something that isn't true.
      (2) The media jumps all over him for making the statement.
      (3) Trump explains what he "really" means.
      (4) The media is now forced to cover the issue Trump brought up (and that they would rather ignore or bury), and possibly backtrack on some of its earlier accusations against him.
      (5) Trump wins and moves on to the next topic.
      (6) Rinse and repeat.
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      • Posted by NealS 7 years, 2 months ago
        I, agree, and think he's actually a lot smarter than most of us give him credit for. Suck the media in, at least that way they may report some facts. Sweden's reluctance may be based on the Omamafication of their leaders, just ignore the real problems and maybe they will go away.

        What's so dangerous here is that only half our population is aware of the problems, one quarter are only in blind denial, and another quarter are just plain ignorant. (disclosure; my figures may be slightly off)
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 2 months ago
        This is what happens when you don't watch what you say when surrounded by rabid fault-seekers who hate your guts.
        When it comes to Trump, the media makes me dino think of a circling pack of drooling jackals, all waiting for any opening to attack their prey target.
        Should one jackal sense an opening, the whole pack mindlessly follows the attack with bared teeth.
        Then loudly yowled accusations of a lie spew forth from all the usual lib media foul gas outlets.
        Perhaps, Trump should spend time with a speech coach specialized in the fine art of CYA.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
        It seems that that may be what is happening, although the media as a whole still seems locked on how well they have defined the idiot. It is just a question of which idiot...
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
    You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?
    Is that "so vague as to leave it wide open" what the heck he's saying, or is it case of leaving "no doubt" what he means.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      My point is it is the way Trump has always spoken in relation to specifics. I would say he would say "Look, they just went to the moon" meaning that sometime in the past they went to the moon. I don't know why he does it, you almost need a translator, but it was good enough to get him elected. He did it all through the campaign, yet most of the people who voted for him seemed to understand it. I know a lot of people I have talked to just say "It's Trump" and leave it at that. The problem is, he gives the media lots of material to work with. It was frustrating the whole campaign to listen to him, to the point you turned him off, as it is some where between stream of consciousness babble and brilliant manipulation.....
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
        "most of the people who voted for him seemed to understand it."
        I agree with your comment above except for your speculation that most Trump voters understood what he meant. I think most Trump voters had specific issues, like opposition to handouts, support for gun rights, or concern about health insurance premiums. They did not understand Trump, but they knew Clinton was not speaking positively about their concerns. This was enough to make them overlook Trump's antics and bigotry. A minority of voters voted for Trump, and a minority of this minority were the deplorables who are unhappy, unsophisticated, and looking for facile answers. They are not of a level of experience and education to know the difference between antics and getting things done. In the loose sense of the word, they "understood" Trump was ranting about being unhappy about life and giving a MLM-style huckster presentation about fixing whatever made them unhappy.
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        • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 2 months ago
          Well, CircuitGuy, after reading your comment, I just had to dig out my "deplorable" t-shirt that I ordered from Rush for the campaign and put it on. BTW, I would think that there are a few of us in The Gulch who consider ourselves Trump Deplorables. Most of us are intelligent and well-educated or we wouldn't be in The Gulch in the first place.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
            "I would think that there are a few of us in The Gulch who consider ourselves Trump Deplorables. Most of us are intelligent and well-educated or we wouldn't be in The Gulch in the first place."
            It sounds like you're saying the deplorables are a minority here, which is probably true.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
              I don't know, since it was a HillaryBeast concoction that had no real meaning, other than "those not dumb enough to vote for me". As a characteristic, I never really heard what a "deplorable" was, other than a smarter voter than some.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
                "I never really heard what a "deplorable" was"
                They're the redneck idiots of the world. The thing is some people extremely PC-sensitive, and they don't like you even to use the word redneck, so I go with deplorable. Whatever you call it, it's people who took President Trump's antics, bigotry, ignorance, and rejection of law during the campaign as something positive.
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
                  Well, CG, I am neither a "redneck" nor and "idiot", and while I did not buy into all of Trumps antics, we had 2 choices: 1. A known criminal who was trying to become the leader of an organization dedicated to lies, cheating and manipulation for their own agenda at the expense of the rest of the country, or 2. A totally unknown, maybe insane businessman who knows they system, and all the players, and has consistently survived in a consistently hazardous world. The system didn't offer any other chances. The couple players who might have been able to pull off an upset didn't come out to play. The other organization that seeks to ram it's own agenda down our throats, at the expense of everyone else, failed to produce even a passable candidate, because of their rigid "you owe who" system of approval of who could run. At least Trump (though possibly a loon) is at least paying some homage to the law, and trying to enforce the law as it is written, and not try to rewrite it for his own moral rules. It's not good, but no one got a voice in it. Best way to look at it was what Commander Schran said to Capt Archer of the Enterprise: "Lets drink to our mutual dissatisfaction".
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
                    I think that's a good summary of what I was trying to say.

                    I take issue with the point President Trump showing respect for the law. During a debate someone put a question to him saying, "that would be illegal. How would get people to do something illegal?" He said he was certain he could find a way. I see no respect for the law.

                    In the case of enforcing the immigration laws, I agree that's enforcing the laws that are on the books. I do not understand people's indignation about him enforcing the laws on the books. That's what the Executive Branch is supposed to do. This is a law, however, that President Trump agrees with and works for him politically. I am not confident he respects the law. A test would be him having to comply with laws he disagrees with or hurts him politically.
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                    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
                      Now that I have to agree with. I am not a fanboy for Trump, it is just the least worse of the lot. I still wish we had a do over ability and we could lock out the parties....
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
          CG, I can both agree and disagree with your psotion, you may be right about some of the voters, but I believe there are a lot who really did agree with his basic positions on things, and just accepted his "weirdness" as much as most other weird things politicians do. I think they also saw him as cleaner than most politicans, as his sins were more along business sins, and not political. I would cite his defencxe of Jews today, and his redo of the immigration issue, as proof he can figure out which way the wind is blowing. Maybe not, but I still think he will adapt to his new role. I am sure there is a lot more crap to be leaked about him, and this will be a long war with the left and the media.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
            "but I believe there are a lot who really did agree with his basic positions on things"
            Yes. I agree. I said "most Trump voters had specific issues, like opposition to handouts, support for gun rights, or concern about health insurance premiums." (emphasis added) So I would go further than what you said and say not just "some" but most Trump voters had specific political issues that they thought Trump was more aligned on or that Clinton was less aligned on.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
              Ok, I think we are missing on what "most" is. I am sure "most" voters will vote for a candidate based on the one specific issue they deem "the one". Not a good way to go, but useful to the politicians, they can separate and make up their stories for each group...
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
                I guess I have a low bar for democratic participation. I think if people correctly understand what the candidates say about one or two issues that matter to them and they vote accordingly, we're shooting par.
                "Not a good way to go, but useful to the politicians, they can separate and make up their stories for each group..."
                That's so true.
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