I had to give up on the structured religions, as all have an agenda and a dark history in one way or another, so a lack of credibility. About the only one I think has been consistent are Buddhists and I don't know their history well. The Native American spiritual framework is somewhat honest and real, maybe because they actually had to live with it.

That's why I'm not a practicing Roman Catholic any more. I disagree with the Pope's public pronouncements on foreign affairs.

Exactly, and they have an arrogant idea they can tell the rest of the world how to live, when their own history is one of looting and pillaging "in the name of god".

I think you may have a point in considering Muslim as a culture, that has a common religion. So, just as other cultures have a violent sect, so do they. It still does not mean there are no terrorists in it, which is patently false.

Consider the psychological malfunction of positing "Muslim Terrorism Does Not Exist". The single point in uttering it is to delineate between radical terror cells and Islam otherwise. Islam otherwise being...? Council on American-Islamic Relations? No, the Council is named as if Islamic and American relate as two states would, while it appears to claim representation for American Muslims. If American Muslims are Americans (affirmative), then with whom does this group relate? Itself? (The Council views itself as separate and distinct from mainstream America by default.) Further, the Council has been said to support Hamas. Does this constitute Muslim otherwise? A mosque, a Muslim business owner, a Muslim classmate might be examples of Muslim otherwise. But if CAIR is a powerful and influential organization with alleged ties to state-sponsored terror, I suppose we are living in the fog of irrational rationalization... at least, I would posit, according to the pope.

There are several web pages dedicated to the subject, that give the historical context, I also watched a documentary on it on AHC channel, that went into great detail of how and why it happened. They were actually trying to get an Arab uprising started and install him as their Nazi puppet. Had it worked, WW2 may have had a different outcome, but we are seeing the vibrations of it even today.

Thanks for the historical context Re: the Grand Mufti. Evil certainly lives on today.

Well, the Catholic Church has been a shunning example of socialism since at least 400 AD, convincing idiots everywhere that they need to labor in this life in order to enjoy the next one. The priesthood, being obviously progressive, is already in the next life, so they are entitled to the labors of the working classes. Barbara Tuchman's The Tumultuous 14th Century is a must read.

GET THIS MARK. I have better things to do than this nonsense. And I doubt you would know fact if you fell over it. Do not bother to respond you will get no more replys.

Again Peggy, fact:

http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesc...

Uh, a little common sense, maybe?

Hmmm...a plot maybe?...

Again, more manipulation, one bad thing justifys the other. They have gone to Might is Right, while spouting Love and compassion. They never mention 20 men on a beach being slowly beheaded by 20 idiots with dull knives. If it had been 20 priests...

Yes the historical record is pretty clear on all religion, the Crusades come to mind. What most people do not seem to know is the idea of "Jihad" and killing comes from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in the 40's when he went to the Nazis and they gave him radio time, some weapons and lots of support, to cause Arab revolt in the British areas including Jerusalem, so he could kick them out. He created the Arab terrorists and led directly the Al Fatah and all the other groups today. Egypts Nassar had Hitlers former head os special forces and his own bodyguard and then trainer of Arab killing groups, who taught them all the bomb making and tactics they use today.

Seems to all back up AR's distrust of all religion...

No argument there, I have been digging into their history for 50 years now, it is about as ugly as our own, yet they are better at "forgetting" and then proceeding to lecture everyone else on what "they should do". Seems like they and Hillary and the Progressives are all on the same page?

That is a very disturbing list of statements, it would need to be gone through and checked as valid, but if so, he seems to have abandoned his catholic church for his own brand...yet we do not see the catholic s getting very riled up....

Please do not be rude, allosaur is trying to find out why you would make such a blanket statement. Your position seems to be the church is not saying these rather silly, irresponsible things, so go to their mouth and read:

http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesc...

http://www.cacatholic.org/first-us-co...

Please try to be civil and have a discussion, not a raging rant. Although, I will admit to the odd rant myself, as most here will attest...

True, and it all works into Fake News. However is this lies and it is on the Internet:

http://www.cacatholic.org/first-us-co...

So, please, do not make such flat statements. A LOT of what is on the internet is twisted and bent to suit the writers needs, because their is no accountability other than whether you can sell your tripe. We are back to Ronald Regan's "Trust but Verify".

Indeed, I have suggested that several times. They could make a pay per view of his arrival, then seizure, then live execution by his "not terrorist" friends. Give the money to a fund for all the little boys and girls their priests have abused and they have covered up. The church is a corrupt as our own political system is (including the stares and federal governments), thay have just had a thousand years to practice and get the art of deception right...Go look up the real history of the catholic church, it's politics and practices, (not to disregard our own countries little indiscretions but much more material to work with there). You will find for all their vaunted rules and regulations, they have regularly disregarded them for personal or political power...they are professional hypocrites, I am afraid.

Peggy, please do not get excited, Freedoms point is that any discussion should be based on facts and data. As I said above, I posted the link to the document. The pope has decided the church will stand against the evil Trump and their daring to disrupt the road to socialism and "equality" that they misguidedly believe will solve all ills. Here is Part 2 of the plot:

http://www.newsmax.com/DealHudson/san...

Since you seem to want to believe the church, here is their own words:

http://www.cacatholic.org/first-us-co...

So, a foreign country is now fomenting revolution in another, what a christian way to treat people. So reflective of the Progressive nature of the church. I would say they would have been better off sending a few hundred thousand christian catholics to Syria and protecting their own Yazadhi christians from the evil muslim "non terrorists" who raped them and sold them into slavery, and then killed all their men. But then, I am a realistic kind of guy, not given to fantasy's of philosophic imperialism...

I do not why someone would want to downcheck a discussion, you have valid points, and he did indeed say this. Go to the link in the article, and you will find the written vatican document with the transcript. His terrorism statement is the last big paragraph.

In response to the question why don't you say Islamic terrorism ?
The pope said "I don't like to speak of Islamic violence, because every day, when I browse the newspapers, I see violence, here in Italy. this one who has murdered his girlfriend, another who has murdered the mother-in-law. and these are baptized Catholics! There are violent Catholics! If I speak of Islamic violence, I must speak of Catholic violence . . . and no, not all Muslims are violent, not all Catholics are violent. It is like a fruit salad; there's everything. There are violent persons of this religion. this is true: I believe that in pretty much every religion there is always a small group of fundamentalists. Fundamentalists. We have them. When fundamentalism comes to kill, it can kill with the language -- the Apostle James says this, not me -- and even with a knife, no? I do not believe it is right to identify Islam with violence. This is not right or true. I had a long conversation with the imam, the Grand Imam of the Al-Azhar University, and I know how they think . . . They seek peace, encounter . . . The nuncio to an African country told me that the capital where he is there is a trail of people, always full, at the Jubilee Holy Door. And some approach the confessionals -- Catholics -- others to the benches to pray, but the majority go forward, to pray at the altar of Our Lady... these are Muslims, who want to make the Jubilee. They are brothers, they live. When I was in Central Africa, I went to them, and even the imam came up on the Popemobile. We can coexist well. But there are fundamentalist groups, and even I ask. there is a question. How many young people, how many young people of our Europe, whom we have left empty of ideals, who do not have work. they take drugs, alcohol, or go there to enlist in fundamentalist groups. One can say that the so-called ISIS, but it is an Islamic State which presents itself as violent . . . because when they show us their identity cards, they show us how on the Libyan coast how they slit the Egyptians' throats or other things. But this is a fundamentalist group which is called ISIS. but you cannot say, I do not believe, that it is true or right that Islam is terrorist.

Izoarde: Your concrete initiatives to counteract terrorism, violence?

Pope Francis: Terrorism is everywhere. You think of the tribal terrorism of some African countries. It is terrorism and also . . . But I don't know if I say it because it is a little dangerous. Terrorism grows when there are no other options, and when the center of the global economy is the god of money and not the person -- men and women -- this is already the first terrorism! You have cast out the wonder of creation -- man and woman -- and you have put money in its place. This is a basic terrorism against all of humanity! Think about it!"

Great points that I have also found discombobulating . The contradiction is so obvious. Of course there are no contradictions.
The late Wm. Casey CIA stated "We will know our job is complete when everything the American people think is wrong"

The altruism collectivism is what it is all about. The eve of destruction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu...
is now in Europe from the flood of ISIS or refugees or what , who knows with out vetting and even then they will lie and cheat to kill.

From the express uk site you attached
Next Pope warns EU to BLOCK migrants as Christians being PUSHED OUT by 'Islamised' Europe
THE Archbishop tipped to be the next Pope has warned that Christians face being pushed aside by a growing Islamisation of Europe and wants to put a stop to accepting new refugees.
PUBLISHED: 03:38, Wed, Dec 28, 2016 | UPDATED: 08:23, Wed, Dec 28, 2016