Disaster underway at OROVILLE DAM
This should be a wake up call for anyone who trusts our Govt. I hope the problem does not reach it's potential.
SOURCE URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxVmKnBgvc
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All the dependent, frightened, liberal morons in CA, NY, MA, DC will believe the rubbish propaganda the statists create.
Now the governor turned to his potential nemesis for help — specifically, asking the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to declare a major disaster after the state was hammered by storms, floods, and mudslides.
It really amazes me that Governor Jerry Brown would have the audacity to ask for federal money after making such a complete fool out of himself!
moonbeam = moonbeam
Dependency is what the liberal statists want because none of them can imagine someone taking responsibility for himself and his family.
Only government can fix such things... after having looted the people so they don't have the means to fix it themselves.
This has been the plan since 1913, to economically enslave everyone except the very top level looters.
Sacrificing is for the unwashed masses. Our SUVs are a threat to the Earth. Al Gore's huge garden and private jet are not.
;^)
It's = it is
My error , of course you are correct.
The emergency spillway/weir is actually the problem though - the water kept coming up and overtopped it. The fast rush of water eroded the hillside below the weir and now the danger is that the weir might blow out if the soil erodes enough that is holding it in place. Lake Oroville is about 25 square miles, and we're looking at 30 feet +/- of water depth blowing out (at once), plus the continued flow of water afterward, plus the storm event this weekend, plus the snow pack melting in a month or so, and at least 4 or 5 more storms before and after that. Size-wise, it's 1700 feet long and about 30-50 feet high. By itself, it holds a heck of a lot of water back.
The dam itself is pretty big, the face is about 900 feet tall, the lake is about 900 feet deep. If the main dam blew, we would have a cataclysmic type of asteroid-hitting-California kind of event, but that doesn't seem to be the concern right now and not likely, but releasing 30 feet on the top is very possible.
Here's the Atlas Shrugged moment, they admitted they only do 1 annual "visual inspection" of the dam and the spillways. Which, in California state engineer speak, is with a cup of coffee from the truck sitting on the service road that no longer exists (it was washed away with about 100 feet-thick of hillside on Sunday). Their brilliant plan is air-dropping rocks onto the hillside with Cal Fire helicopters. Let's revisit how it was blowing 20-40 foot chunks of concrete down the spillway... I'm not really thinking that some 3 & 4 foot roll-friendly round boulders are going to really do much, but whatever, I guess its the only option they have.
On the news they are blaming (then-Governor) Reagan for not "testing the emergency spillway when the dam was built". It really doesn't get to be a more profound reality distortion field than what we have to endure here. It's not the lack of testing & maintenance for 50 years in favor of the welfare state, it is that Reagan should have tested the thing in the 1960s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_5ud...
Gov. Reagan dedicated the dam in 1968, but planning and construction began under his Democratic predecessor, Pat Brown.
Are there any federal guarantees in place if the dam fails, aside from the usual disaster relief? I hope the rest of us are not on the hook to bail out (literally) California’s problem.
Moonbeam already asked Trump for a disaster declaration... I'm sure the Donald is kind of sitting on that one for a while. The request was actually last week for "storm cleanup" - If I were Trump, realistically, the people of California should buy their own chainsaw gas.
At this point, the state is so broke with so many promises to the unions and welfare state on the backs of only about 40-50% that actually work - that we have nothing in the piggy bank.
Of course it not their fault (the leftist dems from dreamland) they are victims always.
I saw the rock bags and had to laugh.
The integrity of the facility is going to have serious challenges ahead as you stated so well.
"Lake Oroville is about 25 square miles, and we're looking at 30 feet +/- of water depth blowing out (at once), plus the continued flow of water afterward, plus the storm event this weekend, plus the snow pack melting in a month or so, and at least 4 or 5 more storms before and after that. Size-wise, it's 1700 feet long and about 30-50 feet high. By itself, it holds a heck of a lot of water back." .......hence my post of this story.
The state where it has taken 10 years and $30,000,000 in fees and permits for a new (?)mining co to dig for Nickle and copper.
A Nate Taggart type in St Paul forged an empire
James J. Hill, who became famously known as the "Empire Builder" for his role in further developing the Northwest through his control of the Great Northern Railway, is perhaps just as well remembered for what he did outside of the business world. Unlike many of the now-famous railroad tycoons, Hill held great interest in the communities which were located along his lines and he donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to public interests like schools and libraries. Today, the dream he always had of merging the four railroads in which he held the most interest has not only became reality but its successor is also one of the largest such companies in the country, BNSF Railway.
The "Empire Builder", whose full name was James Jerome Hill, was born in Rockwood, Ontario, Canada in 1838. He only had formal schooling for nine years, until 1852 when he was about 14. However, by that point he had already achieved several skills, particularly in math, English, and even land surveying which would serve him quite well with his future career in the railroad industry. His work in the wholesale industry is where Hill would first come to learn the finer intricacies of the transportation industry. In 1873 by the age of 35 Hill had entered the steamboat industry, which is reminiscent of the "Commodore" Cornelius Vanderbilt who likewise started out there before transitioning to railroads.
For what it's worth, I'm hearing from private sources that the Auburn Dam is finally going to be built -- not by the state but by local Native Americans and casino money. Good luck to them!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU9Bk...
Trump would be wise to assist the people in harms way anyway he can, and tell Moonbeam to blast off.
Instead of "Who do you love ?" it is "who do you flood"?
Do you mean to divert the inflow from the reservoir.
Is that feasible?
Why are tens of millions of dollar being spent on illegals and this dam site (and its grounds) are not being maintained?
Why doesn't hollyweird step-up pay for this, maybe have a telethon?
They actually had heated tanker trucks come in to move the fish 2 days before bothering to tell people to get out of the way.
I have a more sinister theory of the order of events, they "magically" had a ton of heavy equipment in place on the news last night preparing rock & boulders for airdrop. I think they didn't evacuate the people because they needed the highways clear to move in all of the assets, the material, workers, etc. As soon as the evacuation order was given, the roads became impassable. It's about 60 miles from Oroville to Sacramento, but apparently it was taking people until 3 and 4 am today to make the trip.
I live on the high side of Folsom Dam (federal, not a state piece of shit). I'm not in any danger, but driving to work today in downtown Sacramento was eerie - hardly anyone on the road. I think the citizenry already voted a "no confidence" in the government to deal with this. Sac Metro Airport and Downtown Sacramento would be the ultimate destination of a deluge. I-5 actually cuts through downtown through something of a tunnel/channel, about 30 feet below the normal top of the river.
It appears as if the rivers are near flood stage already.
Your highway theory makes sense.
The lack of trust in a govt. that lies to our faces again and again .The deceptive games they play with the people. This distrust has already given birth to stories of an explosion purposely set off.
I don't believe it , but when you lose credibility you are subject to speculation.
Here is the official......
Officials say they're still releasing 100,000 cubic feet per second from the paved spillway. No water is going over the emergency spillway at this point.
"It's hard to look at a crystal ball and predict how it's going to evolve," said Kevin Lawson of Cal Fire.
The flow into the lake is roughly 37,000 cubic feet per second, so they're shedding a net 60,000 or so cubic feet per second.
They're hoping to drop 8 feet per day.
It's unclear if they'll hit the target of lowering the lake by 50 feet before the next rain hits. But they're expecting a smaller level of precipitation at a cooler temperature, so it may not run into the lake as quickly, giving them more time.
"We're going to deal with that as it comes in," said acting state Department of Water Resources Director Bill Croyle.
There were questions about problems with the emergency spillway, which began eroding instead of serving its function.
"I'm not sure anything went wrong," Croyle said. "This was a new, never-happened-before event."
There has always been the suspicion that the Army Corps of Engineers blew the levee intentionally adjacent to North Sac to flood the poor & immigrant neighborhoods instead of the affluent (which were the ones really at risk with very bad levees in those areas).
Seems like the smarter plan would be to just rapidly build a couple of service roads down the side from the parking lot, and start running rock-trucks day and night to dump rocks and material along the whole thing. But ok, try it with your helicopters 1 rock at a time or whatever.
Responding to questions about whether the Department of Water Resources should have done more to reinforce the emergency spillway system — as suggested by environmental groups during a 2005 relicensing process — Brown said:
“Every time you have one of these disasters, people perk up and start looking at analogous situations and things that you might not have paid as much attention to. But we live in a world of risk – the earthquake shook the Bay Bridge, and then we the state and all the different governors had to put up a new bridge.”
The National Weather Service said the auxiliary spillway at the Oroville Dam was expected to fail about 5:45 p.m., which could send an “uncontrolled release of flood waters from Lake Oroville.”
“This is not a drill. This is not a drill. Repeat this is not a drill,” the National Weather Service said. Authorities urged residents to contact neighbors and family members and reach out to the elderly and assist them in evacuating.
The Butte County Sheriff’s Department and the state Department of Water Resources said the failure of the auxiliary spillway — a 1,700-foot-long hillside route — was caused by “severe erosion.”
The evacuations marked a dramatic turn of events at the nation’s tallest dam. For several days, officials have been trying to figure out how to get water out of Lake Oroville after the main spillway was damaged.
The emergency spillway had never been used before, and until the last few hours, it seemed to be working well. But water from rain and snow continued to flow into Lake Oroville at a rapid pace, causing water level to rise to emergency levels.
Lake Oroville is the lynchpin of California’s state water movement system, sending water from the Sierra Nevada south to the farms across the San Joaquin Valley and cities in the Southland.
Video from television helicopters Sunday evening showed water flowing into a parking lot next to the dam, with large flows going down both the damaged main spillway and the emergency spillway.
Officials feared a failure of the emergency spillway could cause huge amounts of water to flow into the Feather River, which runs through downtown Oroville, and other waterways. The result could be flooding and levee failures for miles south of the dam, depending on how much water is released.
The videos also showed lines of cars getting out out of downtown Oroville. An evacuation center was set up at the Silver Dollar Fairgrounds in Chico.
Diminished by years of drought conditions, the reservoir had become a symbol of the state’s worsening water crisis. But an unusually wet winter took the lake from nearly full to overflowing in less than a week.
At the same time, the nearly mile-long concrete spillway that the dam’s managers rely on to release excess water began to crumble, with erosion worsening as millions of gallons of water poured over it.
It continued to rain. Realizing the lake might rise to a level that would trigger the use of an emergency spillway, state workers began clearing the area of trees and brush that could be sent hurtling downstream.