Boycott of Budweiser's politically correct pro immigration ad

Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 2 weeks ago to Politics
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Oh, Bud says it was in the works before Trump's EO ban. True or not, it is a political statement and Busch claiming it is not is a simple lie.
However, in a free market Busch can advertise in any legal way. The market will reward or punish their actions.
Hooray for free markets!
SOURCE URL: http://fortune.com/2017/02/05/budweiser-super-bowl-commercial-immigration-boycott/


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  • Posted by coaldigger 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Everything worthwhile about America is due to the acceptance of immigrants and refugees seeking a future for themselves and their families. All people that view America as a place where they can enjoy individual rights and respect the rights of others should be allowed. Those that don't should be denied entry if they are not here yet, deported if they are not citizens and reeducated even if their relatives came over on the Mayflower. Somehow, we have created a huge mass of people that have an incredibly warped sense of what America is, its value, why it is unique and worth preserving.

    Many of the issues we disagree on today were debated by the founders. Jefferson and Hamilton could come back to life and pick up exactly where they left off. Other than the issues of slavery and women's suffrage, I cannot see where we have made any improvements. Mostly we have violated individual rights and created a charade for government by and for the people.
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    • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      "Somehow, we have created a huge mass of people that have an incredibly warped sense"
      Who do you mean by "we"?
      If you mean (a) the federal government and state governments and media, all being manipulated and guided by socialist-statists, and (b) federal government and socialist-statist elites purposely encouraging millions of people who have no idea about the responsibilities of freedom to illegally immigrate then I agree that they have done so.
      The we that I know have opposed these manipulations and invasion while simultaneously raising our families, and running our businesses and being constantly assailed with unconstitutional taxes and regulations.
      Today is not the 17th, 18th, 19th century. Uncontrolled immigration is not a benefit to America today.
      America has benefitted from immigrants and will benefit from limited, legal immigration in the future
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      • Posted by coaldigger 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        "We" are a long history of citizens of a republic that have failed in our due diligence to elect representatives that preserve our principles and monitor their actions. "We" are the government and if we have neglected it while it sank into a morass of socialist-statists then we are to blame and need to start paying attention.

        I do not support uncontrolled immigration because economically, it is unwise to welcome those without education, skills and/or a willingness to work which would be an additional burden to our welfare state. I also agree that we need to screen out those that wish to do us harm. I do believe that we still have a lot to gain from immigration and could learn a lot from those that have struggled to get here, are grateful for the freedom they enjoy and are working hard to improve their and their families' welfare. Many of our native born citizens seem to need a refresher course in self sustainability and respect.
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    • Posted by  $  Seer 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      Everything worthwhile? Would you like to qualify that? I think you at least made an attempt at crediting the American founders for some of America's greatness, but you didn't go far enough. It is because of their "advanced" thinking that immigrants have been accepted and assimilated into American society.
      Basically:
      "If I am free to choose my beliefs, I will allow you the freedom to choose yours".
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      • Posted by coaldigger 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        What is the justification for our existence as a country? Why have we fought so hard to sustain it? What is the value that we represent that makes our case that we are a great country. It was not a new concept but a rare practice to base a government on individual pursuit of happiness. Who, consistent with our core principles, should be barred from participating? If there are those that we justify as undeserving, we need to define the criteria carefully and adhere to our laws based on those criteria.
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        • Posted by  $  Seer 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          Who should be barred? Those who are subversive; those who advocate the overthrow of government by violent means. Anarchists would be amongst them.

          My paternal grandparents, by the way, immigrated from Italy, early in the 20th century. My dad, and then his children, were taught 1. In America, you kneel to no one, and 2. You speak only English.

          Watched that great coming-of-age movie: Ferris Buehler's Day Off" again a couple of days ago. Remember the garage scene, where the Hispanic rough-looking came up to park the Ferrari? Ferris goes "Do you speak English?" and the attendant replies: "What country do you think you're in?"

          That about sums it up.
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          • Posted by coaldigger 2 months, 2 weeks ago
            My wife's father's parents came to America from Ripatransone, It in 1912. He worked in the coal mines in Southern WV and his wife raised their four children. The town was mostly immigrants from southern and eastern Europe with a mix of African Americans and natural born Americans of known and unknown origin. The schools were perhaps behind other schools nationally because the children spoke many different languages and few of their parents spoke any English. My wife's grandmother went back to Italy with the children for four years sometime after WW I to help with the family there and the kids were enrolled in school there. I know my father in law graduated from HS in the US and I think his siblings did as well. Upon graduation from HS, he joined the Marines to serve his country before coming back to work in the mines and start his own family.

            Despite this, no Italian was allowed in the second generation's homes. My wife was a little Catholic angel but she probably knew more curse words than Italian words. Her mother was eastern European so their diet was a mixture of ethnic and American foods.

            My boring families go back before the Revolutionary War so English was the only language I was exposed to outside of school. All of the kids I went to HS with spoke English as well as most of their parents even though about 75% of their grandparents did not. Every one was a patriot and I never heard anyone say they wanted to be anywhere else. Everyone worked hard and were law abiding. At one time over 10,000 men were employed in the mines there and as I have mentioned before, we had only one policeman.

            One of my favorite movies is "The Golden Door" which is about how immigrants came to America in the early 20th century. They did not come in chains but short of that their conditions were like coming on a slave ship. I am amazed at the courage (desperation) that these people had to make the jump but they came and they made America a better place.
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            • Posted by  $  Seer 2 months, 2 weeks ago
              I don't think it was as bad as a slave ship, but I'm not getting into that.

              My father, during WWII was an interpreter for Italian POW's, so I know he could speak Italian. He never spoke it to us kids---though he would sing to me in Italian.

              My mother was an Okie with quite a bit of Native American heritage. The cultures were miles apart, but I found each one exciting in its own way. It was America, after all.
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              • Posted by coaldigger 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                My wife and I love to go to Italy and we do every time we can fit it in our budget. I have been using Rosetta Stone, and some other programs trying to learn to speak a little. My wife won't even try, probably a conditioned response. We love the food, wine, art, scenery and the feel of La Dolce Vita.
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                • Posted by  $  Seer 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                  I am able to enjoy dual citizenship, if I so desired. My youngest daughter asked me to obtain Italian citizenship. I didn't want to, but you know daughters. Anyway, I spent almost $2,000 on documents and translations, but before they were processed, my daughter traveled through Europe and Italy (actually worked in London for a time) then came home and told me she had changed her mind. I think she never felt she had the freedom in Europe that she was used to here at home.
                  And she never paid me back, either.

                  (Notice I said WAS America!)
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                  • Posted by coaldigger 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                    I researched dual citizenship for my wife and since her grandfather did not become a citizen until after her father was born here, she should qualify. I have most of the documentation but she keeps dragging her feet. I think that it would make it easier for us to own property there. My dream was to sell the big barn we live in, purchase a condo in my college town and a flat in Italy. That way we could go back and forth 2-3 times a year picking the best seasons, holidays, family events, etc. She doesn't want to give up our house because maybe one holiday a year all of our children and grandchildren come to visit. Italian women are great cooks, mothers and wives but they want everyone to stay close to the nest forever.

                    We went to Ripatransone last September and she would almost faint every time she would look out over the farms and vineyards. We spent a day at a vineyard owned by a family that had the same last name as her grandmother although we could not verify that they were related. I have researched multiple properties that would suit us and we would have room for guests but she says they won't come. She was my HS sweetheart and I have been married to her for 54 years so I am going to plant some more grape vines and fig trees around our patio and forget La Marche for now.
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                    • Posted by  $  Seer 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                      Because of the European Union, it is possible to travel through the European countries without passports, I believe. (Not real sure about that.) My daughter wanted to work in Europe, and that would be easier for her. But she found out she didn't care for it.
                      Got into an argument with a Paris cabdriver who was taking her the long way around to her destination, and finally she said: "If it weren't for us, you'd be speaking German right now."
                      When I asked her by phone how she liked it in London, she said: "It's terrible, Mom. It rains every day, and the food sucks."
                      She did like Italy, though, found it very clean, and beautiful.
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                      • Posted by coaldigger 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                        You need your passport in the EU as proof of identity and to determine your length of stay on a tourist visa (90 days). If you have another class of visa, work, student, etc. you still need your passport to enter the EU. Once you have gone through immigration at your country of entry you can travel throughout the EU as long as your visa is not expired. The French are rude, the Germans strict and the British stuffy while other countries are like their natural selves. The Italians are carefree and friendly as long as you are. If you want to act up, they don't put up with much. I would not want to depend on them efficiently processing my paperwork and releasing me once incarcerated.
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                        • Posted by  $  Seer 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                          That's what I had in mind about the passport business. But it may have failed in some cases, insofar as immigration is concerned.
                          For my daughter, being an Italian citizen would have made it easier to travel and work in Europe. The downside to dual citizenship was that my other daughter and her children would have been Italian citizens as well, and the boys subject to military enrollment.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Reading the comments, a commonality about those of us with ancestors that came to America (mine were Welsh) is that they came to BE AMERICANS. They did not come to suck at the national nipple, they did not come to change what was. They came to utilize the opportunities afforded by freedom to improve their quality of life.
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    • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      Many were also refugees from oppressive regimes at home, but few were refugees from regimes dedicated to the destruction of America or death to anyone who was not of their chosen faith (as encouraged by said faith.)
      It is foolish not to use rational analysis of the background and talents of prospective immigrants before allowing immigration.
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  • Posted by  $  richrobinson 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Ironically they show someone coming here legally and making a success of himself. The American Dream. They me be getting caught in all the outrageous reaction to Trumps Executive Order.
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      Yeah I'm at a loss to explain why a commercial showing proper, legal immigration is somehow an argument in favor of illegal immigration. Now the one that seems to show actual illegal immigration, that one is pretty clear and largely ignored.
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  • Posted by  $  Thoritsu 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    I hope the market punishes them both for making crap beer. There is just no reason to drink either unless it is free and you are desperate for a buzz (after like 10 of them).
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    • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      I like my home brew much more than Bud, too. In lieu of that, lately I have been enjoying some of Trader Joe's Josephsbrau Hellerbach, Breckenridge Vanilla Porter, and New Belgium Tripple.
      (No idea who owns and brews these.)
      Cheers, Thoritsu!
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      • Posted by  $  Thoritsu 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        I've had these except the Hellerbach. All infinitely better than Bud or Busch. Breckenridge is a small spot in VT. I like that vanilla porter. Believe New Belgium is from MI, but not sure.

        My favorites are Clown Shoes (from MA) very strong tasting typically. Not subtle. Southern Tier (from NY) and Oscar Blues (from NC). Southern Tier Creme Brûlée Stout is a whole dessert! Oscar Blues Old Chub Scotch Ale is superb. Atomistic anything from Clown Shoes is a aggressive example of that type of beer, from IPA to Imperial stout.

        To make the taste of any of these out of a Bud, would be like making maple syrup from sap. About 50:1.
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  • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    I dont think people today object to immigration that benefits the USA. Its just hard to figure how we benefit from destitute people from Syria who believe that its OK to attack and kill "infidels" and bring no skills to our country. I say if immigration doesnt benefit USA, why allow it? Try to move to Canada and see how far you get. Without a pretty good sized "investment" and a clean record (no DUI for a starter), you will get turned away at the border for sure.
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    • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      Same story in every first world country. You have nothing to offer and you don't get in. Hell, even if you have a lot to offer it's very difficult and expensive. And it is getting more difficult every year because of the cost of "free" socialized health care in many countries. They are correct to prevent immigration that drains the treasury. They'd be even more correct to eliminate the cost of "free" health care and let in those with skills, good health, and understanding of liberty and free markets.
      More government services is not the way to improve the lives of people. Its meddling. Leave people alone and encourage them to take care of themselves and their families.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Well, I haven't read the comments cause I'm close to going home tonight. BUT...I wonder if anyone sees what I see in this commercial.
    Assuming the donkey was a legal resident of the US...laughing; he worked hard, practiced and then auditioned...and achieved his goal, he became a Clydesdale and immersed into that culture.
    Isn't that all we Americans ask?
    I say this short of the reference to the demoncrapic party...
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  • Posted by  $  Seer 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    It seems to me, that if a multi-national corporation is expending funds to sanction pro-immigration rulings, I would begin to suspect its motives. Perhaps they need cheap labor.
    One of the flaws in democracy: the ability to sway others.
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  • Posted by  $  Itheliving 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Budweiser is not an American Company. Sold out a few years back.
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    • Posted by coaldigger 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      What is an American Company? How many shares need to be owned by a foreigner to disqualify a company from being American. How many plants operating outside our border disqualifies them? Where are their sales, their raw material sources, articles of incorporation?

      I think "American Company" is a concept to protect companies that we can steal from via taxation and do not care if our quality of life is improved by goods produced elsewhere. In adding the burden of being a slave to government they are at a competitive disadvantage even in situations where they should be the most efficient producer. If you have a highly automated plant producing a large number of units, a labor rate of $50 an hour vs. $8 means very little. The transportation cost to market and security costs largely favor US producers. What cannot be overcome are taxes, regulations and trade restrictions.
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      • Posted by  $  Itheliving 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        They sold to a bigger company I believe is centered in South America. The company owns several European breweries like Stella Artois. Bud was always the prototype American Beer with Coors 2nd. The decision on the ad was probably designed by an agency and approved by Bud then reapproved by the company that owns them.
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        • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          InBev is headquartered in Belgium and publicly traded on the on the Euronext stock exchange. With more than 155,000 employees around the world, the company serves as one of the top five consumer product organizations and has more than 200 beer brands in its portfolio. InBev sells its offerings in markets around the world. The company owns six of the ten most valuable brands in the world, which includes Bud Light, Budweiser, Corona, Skol, Stella Artois and Brahma.
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  • Posted by Jackson 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    I knew this controversy would happen but it was planned well before the ban. It's about coming to America to make your hard work and dreams become a reality. Can't we just leave it at that?
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    • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      Yes, I can. And I liked the commercial, but I knew that it would probably be looked at suspiciously because of recent events and the media being what it is. This is the age of ISIS terrorists. No one, including Trump, is banning immigrants from coming here, but as a country, we do have the right and the obligation to secure our borders and protect our citizens. No beer commercial can take that responsibility away.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Completely unrelated to the ad, I've always liked Budweiser, maybe because it's the first beer I tried. Now maybe the redneck idiots of the world will make it a cool for me.
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