NASA Scientist Studies Whether Solar Storms Cause Animal Beachings

Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 8 months, 3 weeks ago to Science
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"Indeed, magnetic anomalies caused when the sun’s corona ejects gigantic bubbles of charged particles out into the solar system can cause problems for Earth-orbiting satellites and power grids when they slam into Earth’s protective magnetosphere. It’s possible they could affect animals, as well, Pulkkinen said."

A quick read didn't show any mention of the rapidly moving magnetic poles. I think this should figure in also. I also feel it has an effect on the human brain too. Especially those unaware. (not engaged in a full stage of consciousness and behavioral control)
SOURCE URL: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/nasa-scientist-studies-whether-solar-storms-cause-animal-beachings


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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 months, 2 weeks ago
    Would be interesting if there were more than the weasel words like "speculate", "will", "possible", etc. The only facts seem to be that beachings have been observed, those taking part in the data mining study, and that it has nothing to report about further causes of beachings.
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    • Posted by  $  8 months, 2 weeks ago
      "weasel words"...short for protection from politics and continued funding?

      In any event, I like the phrase...will you give me permission to use it?
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      • Posted by lrshultis 8 months, 2 weeks ago
        It is or has been commonly used, e.g., at Watts Up With That when dealing with future climate speculation from models.
        It is one way to pretend that your ideas about data are predicting future reality. The IPCC climate reports are loaded with such words and when there is real world stuff which might point to what might be somewhat accurate predictions about the future, it is buried in the notes. The most blatant thing that is ignored is their statement in a report that it is impossible to predict climate due to it being a chaotic system.
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  • Posted by walkabout 8 months, 2 weeks ago
    It is an interesting theory/hypothesis. The data already exist so a study (data mining) should be pretty easy and cheap! Adding factors as the correlations are identified will be easy enough. It may not be simple cause and effect (but we won't ever have the ability to do "experimental research" on the question). What are the likely upsides to understanding this? Will the Bermuda Triangle suddenly make sense? Can we use what we learn to protect cetaceans from the effects of focused sonar tools? Can we get whales to ram enemy ships????? The possibilities are endless -- OK, so not endless, not even very diverse.
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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    Hi OUC,
    Your link to http://suspiciousobservers.org is a fascinating and logically explained site. The info is enlightening . If this planets weather is not a result of what the sun pulses at us. then the shade of a tree is no relief from heat. The research and sources, the due- diligence,indeed the historical record all provide evidence of what is really going on , a cooling period. Several fascinating videos , including "what do I do when I wake up" a type of a guide for truth seeking. This is just a start to our understanding of the solar weather and other cosmic influences that provide us a livable environment. Another thought comes to mind when they the kakistocrats talk about stopping man made climate change and then expand geoengineering globally and they fool around with the ionosphere it seems contradictory and there are no contradictions.
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    • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
      Exactly!...however, I sometimes wonder if the "left brained" mindless people mix up "environment" with climate. Has those that rule mankind screwed up our environment? Yes they have...does that effect weather patterns over a long period of time? no it doesn't...Period.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    Just thought of something, don't know if it would affect this study, but if the earth's axis of rotation is tilted at an angle to its plane of revolution, and depending on where the particular solar wind originated, then one might be able to determine or at least rule out effects of sun spots on magnetic field.
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    • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
      The field surrounds our planet...although most ionospheric disturbances flow toward the poles N/S. Some solar outbreaks effect what faces the sun but the coronal hole streams effect the entire globe...that's why there is a connection between CHStreams and earthquakes.
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      • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
        I've read somewhat of the magnetosphere, but don't remember CHStreams. I wish I had that little book with me---great pictures and diagrams.

        Whatever these corona hole streams are, are they related to when the auroras occur?

        You seem to be talking earth's magnetic field, but I think it has more to do with the magnetosphere, which of course is connected with the earth's magnetic field.
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        • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
          The are in effect a hole in the (firery) atmosphere of the sun providing a direct electromagnetic connection between the planets and the sun.

          They constantly stream particles of energy depending on how the suns magnetic field is arranged; (sometimes these fields block these holes) You can see that on Ben's morning news at the web site link at the bottom of this reply.

          Ben has a new book out and also, on the main page, he has free videos on the sun. see: suspicious0bservers.org
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          • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
            I clicked on that link, but I'm not sure the science is legitimate. That is, a site developed by "Suspicious Observers" and devoted to "Disaster Predictions"
            has me wondering...
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            • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
              Look under the daily news video and you will see the sun series.
              Oh it's legit alright. The disaster apt is a side line developed from observations of outgoing long wave radiation from earth that are attracted and attract these coronal streams. Some other apts by nasa use similar data but are not as quick and accurate as SO's.
              View the sun series and listen to the morning news every morn...heck it's free!
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              • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
                And while we're on the subject of things scientific. I've always thought super-cooled nitrogen and its effects were fascinating.
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                • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
                  If you get the chance or even join as a member of SO. check out Billy Yelverton's (sp) work.
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                  • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
                    It's super-cooled helium I was thinking of. Must have been a senior moment.

                    But I'll do what you suggested.
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                    • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
                      Atmospheric charging might have something to do with it too...don't be so quick to blame your age.
                      Laughing...maybe you couldn't figure where north is for a moment...sorry, couldn't resist
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                      • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
                        What's north?

                        You mention atmospheric charging and all I can think of is lightning! Could that interfere with the cetacean's ability to sense magnetic fields?
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                        • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
                          Not likely...it's all that lighting all over the globe that creates the shuman resonance which all life on the planet depends on.
                          Atmospheric charging (increased electrical activity that has leaked down from the ionosphere) Like the Carrington event although that one was a biggie. Most times they are small events.
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                          • Posted by  $  Dobrien 8 months, 3 weeks ago
                            Tesla is said to have understood the earths resonance years before Schulman.
                            Sprites are large-scale electrical discharges that occur high above thunderstorm clouds, or cumulonimbus, giving rise to a quite varied range of visual shapes flickering in the night sky. They are triggered by the discharges of positive lightning between an underlying thundercloud and the ground.
                            The relationship between the electric universe above is indicative of the sprites direction. With lightning from the cloud to ground actually meets a bolt coming the tree our rod. It could be connecting above as well.
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                            • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
                              Also from cloud to cloud or high pressure to low pressure just like sunspots. That's why Ben at SO calls them "Earth Spots".
                              You know?...the lamestream has picked up that designation!
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                        • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
                          North and south has been hard to keep up with lately...magnetic north is over by Siberia and south magnetic pole is just a little south of Australia. (way north of the south pole (continent)
                          AND...our weighted Axis is just off the northeast coast of Greenland...way away from where its stomping grounds historically. So we have quite a different tilt now.
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              • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
                Maybe I'll do that! Did find the book I was looking for on Amazon. I'll order it next month. Has great diagrams and pictures.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    That's pretty interesting, carl. I've always wanted to know more about the earth's magnetosphere---for one thing it keeps intense solar radiation from impinging on the earth.

    A couple of questions: are cetaceans the only animals that have magnetic field sensing organs? (Where in the animal and how these sensors work is a question for another day).
    Another seemingly interesting fact is that these strandings appear to occur in both the southern and northern hemispheres. One might think--I would--the magnetosphere would affect one more than the other. Are there Southern Lights that are similar to the Aurora Borealis?
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    • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
      Birds come to mind that might sense the magnetic field.
      Yes, what effects north effects south and yes the southern lights are aurora's too.
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      • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
        If it could be related, or not related, to the times of the auroras, that would be significant, don't you think?
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      • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
        I did do a quick search. If it is indeed sun spots, or storms, and if there is a magnetic field sensor in some animals, that causes beaching in whales, etc. then we might expect it to have an effect on birds, butterflies and turtles.

        2. My thought was that because of the tilt of the earth's axis, and depending on the direction of the solar wind, that auroras would occur at different times in the two hemispheres. And you would expect that stranding would occur at different times as well.

        3. And then I wondered if humans have a magnetic field sensor as well, or perhaps one that is no longer in use. Like the appendix.
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        • Posted by  $  8 months, 3 weeks ago
          The times of auroras for north and south would be only somewhat different...maybe a few minutes, I would think.
          Sun spot flaring seems to strengthen the shield up to a certain point and that activity adds protection from cosmic radiation. Beyond that point they can super charge our atmosphere and cause a lot of damage.
          But coronal hole streams really effect the whole system, magnetic storms, earthquakes, weather and volcanic eruptions.
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          • Posted by Seer 8 months, 3 weeks ago
            Well, you got me all excited again about magnetism, plasma in the magnetosphere and solar winds. Got to wait til next month, when I have more money to find the right books/texts!!
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