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This is News For Objectivists--"Microbes may encourage altruistic behavior

Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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Maybe it's more than (or simpler than) religion or faulty philosophy that leads to the animosity that Objectivists encounter when we try to explain why we are opposed to a philosophy that encourages Altruism and we propose "selfishness" as a morally justified and rational approach to life. Makes a lot of sense to me. From the article:

"Why do people commonly go out of their way to do something nice for another person, even when it comes at a cost to themselves—and how could such altruistic behavior have evolved? The answer may not just be in our genes, but also in our microbes.

In a new paper, researchers Ohad Lewin-Epstein, Ranit Aharonov, and Lilach Hadany at Tel-Aviv University in Israel have theoretically shown that microbes could influence their hosts to act altruistically. And this influence could be surprisingly effective, with simulations showing that microbes may promote the evolution of altruistic behavior in a population to an even greater extent than genetic factors do.

"I believe the most important aspect of the work is that it changes the way we think about altruism from centering on the animals (or humans) performing the altruistic acts to their microbes," Hadany told Phys.org.

This places an entirely new perspective on the idea of a physical Gulch or just avoiding those that don't get Ayn Rand.

I always knew that the "Others"" weren't well.








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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure I understand the question. I fully support the postulation of these microbes - as long as it is followed up by a confirmation test to prove their hypothesis. Without that it devolves to idle speculation.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That every possibility is 'natural' and that a rational ethical system is not only unnecessary, but also a waste of time and effort. That necessarily negates the importance of rational thought, or the effort behind it.

    The social scientist(?) ultimate wet dream.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The same way you explain me.

    I don't worship AR, by the way. There were things that she didn't study, or knowledge not available to her many years ago.

    Nor do I think Objectivism should be a cult.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the agenda is to suggest that "altruism" is based in nature or is natural. While independence is abnormal or not natural.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Aha; a chintzy microbe, or is it an ingeniousness microbe. To be the only known allosaur to make it into this ' progressive' era of humanity, it must be ingeniousness.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder what those that only perceive themselves in the reflection from others would think.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hi db; That's a big part of what interested me--I've never before encountered a suggestion that 'altruistic behavior' is the result of anything other than morality based on belief, or natural human genetics. The study references Rabies as a behavior altering microbe as an example and I've seen some others, but mostly involving simpler lifeforms.

    So this report immediately stirred my WTF neuron sparks. What's the benefit of this type of study or suggestion--what's the agenda? Why the interests in behavior modification by subversive (beneath consciousness) means?

    In a little conspiracy imagining, I've seen lately a few papers and reports on developments and tests of synthetic microbes, one of which is able to successfully 'fool' natural cells. There's also been some recent releases of studies that have shown a correlation between autism and the microbial makeup of the gut, implying a causative relationship.

    So WTF and what's the agenda?
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  • Posted by chad 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would agree, it does seem to be a very slim chance that humans appreciate liberty and the advantage of rational thought and action.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's a classic. I remember the scene where the guy kisses his girlfriend and then realizes she went to sleep. Now people go into the public education system and come out liberals. Scary stuff.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, that was one of my first thoughts, too. Seen any pods in your area?
    That was a very memorable movie for me. I watched it after school one day until the 6pm newscast cut it off and the station never broadcast the ending! As a naive teen I kept thinking it would come on after the news, but it didn't. I watched for it but I didn't see the ending until perhaps 10 years later when Turner broadcast it on the "superstation".
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Computer simulations are always reproducible. How about a Journal of Virtual Microbiology? :-)
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't flatter yourself, Chad. Ayn Rand was female. Her only mistake was assuming that all humans are rational animals and would be as rational as she was. That humans only have the potential to be rational accounts for not all of them actually being rational all the time. Neither genes nor microbes are omnipotent. It's a crap shoot all the way. It's the rare individual who gets the upper hand on his/her own rationality.
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