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This is News For Objectivists--"Microbes may encourage altruistic behavior

Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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Maybe it's more than (or simpler than) religion or faulty philosophy that leads to the animosity that Objectivists encounter when we try to explain why we are opposed to a philosophy that encourages Altruism and we propose "selfishness" as a morally justified and rational approach to life. Makes a lot of sense to me. From the article:

"Why do people commonly go out of their way to do something nice for another person, even when it comes at a cost to themselves—and how could such altruistic behavior have evolved? The answer may not just be in our genes, but also in our microbes.

In a new paper, researchers Ohad Lewin-Epstein, Ranit Aharonov, and Lilach Hadany at Tel-Aviv University in Israel have theoretically shown that microbes could influence their hosts to act altruistically. And this influence could be surprisingly effective, with simulations showing that microbes may promote the evolution of altruistic behavior in a population to an even greater extent than genetic factors do.

"I believe the most important aspect of the work is that it changes the way we think about altruism from centering on the animals (or humans) performing the altruistic acts to their microbes," Hadany told Phys.org.

This places an entirely new perspective on the idea of a physical Gulch or just avoiding those that don't get Ayn Rand.

I always knew that the "Others"" weren't well.








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    Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Women do have problems thinking in long terms. That is, long-term strategic planning seems to be a masculine trait; women are very much settled in the here-and-now. And they would have to be, since they are the ones raising and caring for the safety of the next generation. It's in the genes.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 8 years, 3 months ago
    Are you sure this wasn't first published in The Journal of Irreproducible Results? :-] One of my favorite publications, by the way.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago
    Where do the marching morons line up for their vaccinations?
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We're going about this all wrong. Instead of spreading the proper philosophy we should be spreading the proper microbes.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know there are certainly a number of people who contend that liberalism is a mental disorder ;)

    Of course watching the primaries, I think there is certainly evidence of groupthink on the part of many Trumpists which is every bit as dangerous as that evidenced by Progressives.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. It is one thing to postulate existence and quite another to follow up and test.

    I wonder if they include pheremones in this, as those are an identified group of substances which are known to affect perception on an individual level.
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  • Posted by chad 8 years, 3 months ago
    One of my best friends suspected genetics. I married a woman who already had two children, pretended to be conservative was really a socialist and her first husband was a socialist. The next three children we had all are very conservative, my son is an objectivist like his dad (me) and the two older girls voted for Barracula just like their mom. Perhaps the objectivist gene is carried by the male??
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Obama and his would-be successor Hillary better fit the description of "Patient Zero of a spreading infection." In this analogy, Trump would be the antibiotic.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Beg to differ, CBJ. The recent elections are prima facie evidence of the microbes' pulling large cohorts of the population together to benefit their own agenda. And Trump is the magnetic center, Patient Zero of a spreading infection. What's fascinating is that not all microbes are monolithic. We are the battleground of their warfare, conducted below our conscious awareness and expressed through our own conflicts of ideas (and ideologies). I see the makings here of a super science fiction story, or has someone already written it?

    Mind you, most of our inhabitant microbes are symbiotic with our own cells and help keep us alive. It's amazing that humans have not studied this phenomenon to the deepest level, along with quantum theory.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 3 months ago
    Yes, there have been a number of articles purporting to find Altrusim in nature (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/al.... First of all it is important to remember that Ayn Rand was very clear that ethics is based on our nature and if our nature was different a different ethics would make sense. For instance, if we did not think individually, then we would need a different ethics. Animals that swarm (hear) behave like they have a single mind and if they break apart they die. So it makes sense to trade the life of one individual to protect the swarm, as bees and herding animals do.

    Second of all is that they misuse the term Altruism. Comte defined as “The word "altruism" (French, altruisme, from autrui: "other people", derived from Latin alter: "other") was coined by Auguste Comte, the French founder of positivism, in order to describe the ethical doctrine he supported. He believed that individuals had a moral obligation to renounce self-interest and live for others.”

    Third the article assumes that humans are not rational animals.
    “To show that this idea can have a prevailing effect on a population over time, the researchers designed simulations of interacting individuals, some with altruism-inducing microbes, and some without. Then using a prisoner's dilemma payoff scheme, the researchers investigated what happens to this population, its microbes, and its altruistic behavior over many generations.
    The results showed that, as long as horizontal transmission (between individuals) of microbes is allowed, altruism-inducing microbes can take over the population, leading to microbe-induced altruism. This result occurs even when only a very small percentage of the population initially carries these altruism-inducing microbes. The simulations also revealed that the evolution of altruism is successful because the microbes have a chance to either meet genetically related microbes in the recipient or infect and transform some of the recipient's microbes into relatives.”
    Living with other people is not altruism. Phony science with an agenda.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
    So in other words, a donor is a germy groaner almsgiver with the quivers, a philanthropist is a microbe infected altruist, benefactors have mentally gone "It Came From The Gut" crackers and saints are just plain sick..
    Me dino is looking forward to this new search for a cure added to all the charitable donation requests that I receive in my mail.
    I'll likely open the envelope, scan the printed plaintive plea, groan "Hell, I can't afford to help everybody" and toss it into my little trash can that I line with a cheap plastic bag that once carried groceries from a Walmart, a Publix or a Piggly Wiggly. .
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 3 months ago
    those who pursue altruistic behavior were not born with this desire to serve others, it is an acquired problem which they do not know is a problem. or they are a politician who wants to loot and therefore claims these altruistic tendencies. it would be wonderful if the microbes did devour their brains. won't take them long since they are small brains.
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  • Posted by Mygood 8 years, 3 months ago
    Well, overly consuming sugar also seems like altruistic behavior toward abnormal gut flora, candida :) we service them all day long!
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 3 months ago
    This is a simulation. Reality likely is different. The researchers are using “close physical contact” as a proxy for altruism. This is a weak connection, since close physical contact frequently includes behavior that is anything but altruistic (warfare and rape, for example), and many actual acts of altruism do not involve physical contact at all (such as financially supporting a worthless relative out of a sense of duty). Furthermore, some of what they are calling “altruism” may be simply generosity or cooperative behavior, such as holding open a door for a stranger. The fact that such behavior does not result in an immediately obvious payoff does not make it altruistic, as the term is understood by Objectivists.
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