Don’t Be Outraged by this Teacher’s Dating Advice. Pass it On!

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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I like this and I think following these instructions would improve the culture 1000%...but of course...I'm just an ugly old fart.

I think even Rand would approve.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 3 months ago
    Rand would definitely approve. She held that the man takes charge by reason of the very nature of men and women.

    Other than that--the author clearly is taking shots at people lacking a sense of humor.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
      "Rand would definitely approve. She held that the man takes charge by reason of the very nature of men and women."
      You're saying she would advise individuals to act based on their group identity? This seems hard to imagine. Is there any reference to her writings or interviews where she expressed this?
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
        Libbies and idiots ignore that men and women are made differently and yes...that does translate into different behavior patterns, needs and desires; of course, we have a lot in common too but what the ignorant forget is that individually we each are only half of the total human equation.
        Like an old song..."you can't have one without the other".
        Liberals, progressives and retards reject that reality...just like they reject everything else in existence.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 3 months ago
        This isn't about identity politics. Or at least Rand didn't describe it as such.

        But if you want to know: an interviewer once asked her what she would do as President of the United States. She said she would never seek the job, nor vote for any woman who did. She then described the kind of program she would like a (male) President to follow.

        In the ensuing days, people asked her to explain herself. She did, thus: in any romantic relationship, the man leads--just as in the sexual act, the man controls and dictates. (I'm only telling you what she said.) So any woman would seek a man having a higher position in society than herself. The Presidency of the United States was, she believed, as high as you can get. A woman in that position could find no man in a higher position than herself. She would, therefore, hold herself unfulfilled.

        That is to say, unless she were asexual or, as the French used to say, "inverted" in this regard. And nothing disgusted her so much as sexual inversion or perversion.

        In The Benefits and Hazards of the Philosophy of Ayn Rand, Nathaniel Branden said, "I would love to hear an admirer of Rand argue logically that a woman should not aspire to be President of the United States. I found that one of her more embarrassing lapses."
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
          Wow. I completely disagree with what Rand is saying, according to your summary. People are free to lead or follow as they desire and are able. There's no need to say people with certain traits should or should not lead. If she's saying the reason (I'm not clear that's what you're saying) for this is "inversion" or "perversion", it's begging the question. She's using the claim that this one trait is tied to leadership in her proof that the trait is tied to leadership.

          Leave it to each individual to determine whether they're fulfilled or not.

          I imagine a thought experiment where it's discovered that Asian people are better at engineering than European people. Right now we think the races evolved from the same line and probably don't have such big differences, but suppose we found we were wrong. Europeans as a group, in this scenario, are better at making interpersonal connections. Would this make it "perverted" if for some unknown reason I love doing engineering despite my race? People doing this theorizing would do better to focus on their own quest for happiness and stay out of mine.

          I also do not agree with her that the presidency of the US is highest position in the US because I don't see human affairs as a hierarchy with one person on the top. I imagined the train tech who told Dagny about the motor plant had a life not covered in the book where he was at the absolute top of some other area of life, maybe restoring old model trains or something and he's a king of that corner of the Internet; who knows. If we must have a "highest" position in human affairs, maybe it should be the person who creates the most value for willing customers instead of someone at the top of public service. I don't think we need a "highest" person overall. I just disagree with her whole view on determining who should lead, what fulfills people, and high/low positions.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
    Trumps new head of the dept of education DeVos
    Should include MANNERS as the first lesson to preschoolers and continue it through high school.
    Adjusting the curriculum according to the students ages.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
      What a radical concept~teaching manners to kids.
      Well, according to what I've seen, someone needs to.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
        Hi Dino,
        I know it is the parents responsibility. My wife is a preschool teacher and the 3-4 year olds some are there for 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week. She is like a second mom to them and as we have discussed 0-6 is when the foundations of behavior good or bad is formed.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
          The world needs more like her.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
            Thank you. Among many ideas that she has, one that has been very useful is the kindness pledge that she has the kids recite. Another is "helper of the day". Both are well received and are requested by the kids if she forgets.
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            • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
              If recited at the start of school days for grades K-thru-12, that kindness pledge may help reduce bullying as well as suicides.
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              • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
                I have written before about cognitive dissonance
                it is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time; performs an action that is contradictory to their beliefs, ideas, or values; or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas or values.
                Remember there are no contradictions, the effect gives way to mental illness or a give up of
                moral standards. All humans strive for internal consistency. An individual who experiences inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to try to reduce this dissonance, as well as actively avoid situations and information likely to increase it.
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    • Posted by $ Snezzy 7 years, 3 months ago
      We provide pony rides for little children. At birthday parties the children are almost uniformly well behaved.

      We live near an Army base, and if the kids are milbrats, they often say, "Yes, sir," or, "No, sir."

      At open-to-the-public events the behavior is somewhat rougher, but because my wife and I are the authorities in charge of the "attraction" we get to make up whatever rules are needed. We hardly ever have to remove a child totally from the pony area.

      I think it's the ponies that cause the politeness. Horses can improve us all!
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      • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
        Young children are blank slates for the most part. It doesn't matter their ethnicity, they all are human with the capacity for greatness and they want to know what the boundaries are and they will test them. That's is all normal. A consistent message of those boundaries is often lacking.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 7 years, 3 months ago
    My oldest son was just entering his teens when the women's lib movement began to have an impact in our community. I kind of liked the "burn the bra" movement but wondered what was in store for the kids that were going to grow up in this new era. I observed that the young girls were having a good time testing the limits of their new freedom but the boys were very confused at what their role should be. This made sense because now girls could base their behavior on the roles of boys but boys had no model.
    I have never been able to change even though I have been sneered at for holding a door, walking on the outside, allowing ladies first and other quaint habits. I will say that I may seem condescending but I never raped a date or struck a female or anyone smaller/weaker than me. I don't even burp, fart or say the f word and I don't care if I seem like a dolt. I know who I am. I accept and like my role. I have no problem looking at the person in the mirror and am much too old to change. It helps that my wife of 54 years is cast in the old mold and she doesn't even care when people compare her to Donna Reed or call her Mrs. Cleaver.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years, 2 months ago
    I see nothing wrong in dialing back to a time of more good manners and behaviors for young people. That's how I dated my wife. Maybe there was some underlying Ayn Rand Philosophy back then. It could be that when you have both set of parents who had participated in World War ll in form or another made the difference.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 2 months ago
    Well, I consider a restaurant's handing out menus without prices (and going along with the practice) to
    be outrageously dumb, on the part of all parties. But then, it has been nearly always my practice to pay for my own ticket, food, etc. But I have
    also, from a long time back, considered a human
    female's getting into a car with a man she does
    not really know to be idiocy, and downright dan-
    gerous. Of course, meeting somebody some-
    where would be different. When in Staunton, I
    used to get into a car with a buddy of mine (no-
    tice I said "buddy" and not "date"--we were friends and former co-workers) and we would go
    see a ball game; tickets, as I recall were half a
    buck.

    I have no advice for people going on "dates"
    (getting into someone's car), except not to do it in the first place. By the time I knew that the
    guy was "safe", I knew that I was never going to
    fall in love with this particular individual, though
    he might be a good friend. So it doesn't make much difference to me.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      The Key here in reference to prices on menus is that was the Meme of the times.
      Always when looking back in history, we must understand the times and the mind set or brain set (which ever applies) of those times.

      If you think about it, it really doesn't make much sense to feel superior, having knowledge, a way of thinking or a different sociological preference that those of the past had not.
      (no accusations here) Just something to think about...with malice toward none.
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 2 months ago
        A long time ago, a certain crime , upon conviction,
        was punished more severely than now, sometimes
        even with death.--And perhaps people made differ-
        ent assumptions on dates.--Still, it seems inadvis-
        able. As to any "superiority", this is coming
        from someone who never succeeded in the main
        object of such social activity.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
          Granted...what I am addressing is modern society's
          tendency to put down or feel superior to the memes, behaviors or actions of past times...it's easy when you may think we know better now but those of those times did not know or ever thought the way we do now...I would call the change: sociological evolution.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
    The suggestions assume men, as a group, have certain traits and women have others. It could be true 90% of the time, but the interesting parts of life often lie in things where we are different from the groups we belong to.

    It should just say respect one another, be honest, and part of being honest is doing things for your own sake and not others'.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
      Yes we each do have certain traits and that is not saying that a little deviation one way or another is a bad thing. In fact, sometimes it can be refreshing.
      Nothing wrong with guidelines for civil behavior, every culture, every civilization has had them up until now. Seems, the culture has degraded, (overall) and are content to just make it up as they go...no respect for time tested methods, truths or behaviors.
      And, there is nothing wrong with making a few adjustments...like letting the ladies See the prices!...laughing.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 2 months ago
    The only problem with old fashioned politeness -- is that for guys on a date, it just doesn't work. The guys who get laid are the jerks. The nice guys finish last.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      If a girl is so easily pulled into that meme then you don't want her...she's just not trust worthy and has no command over the whims of her brain.

      Believe it or not...a girl told me that...
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      • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 2 months ago
        Girls choose guys (and vice versa) with their hindbrains/instinct/"chemistry", not their reason. Thus attempts to teach them better are doomed. The conclusion of David Brin's The Postman comes to mind here -- it is a pathetic attempt to deny this reality.
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