build the wall around them with NO GATES!!! Let them keep the illegal criminals, anchor babies and unemployed. Tax everything from them 35% just like from Mexico. The military can function like Gitmo in Cuba. Anti-gun state crime would be on the levels of Chicago in no time. Build the wall around them just in case they decide they decide to give us the criminals.

I like what you've written, but if the Congress passed any legislation (and even if the President signs it into law), the Supreme Court can overturn it - not legitimately, of course, but that's what they did with the Partial Birth Abortion Law (signed into law by George W. Bush). The Court overturned it. I would have thought that would be firm grounds for impeachment and removal from office (under the clause that states that Supreme Court justices serve for Life "while under Good Behaviour"), but what do I know? I'm an engineer, not a lawyer.

All good points - I hope you are right. But, just like all the "celebrities" who promise to leave the country if/when a Republican wins, and then don't, I suspect the California succession furor is likely not going anywhere.

True, but the people then also were loyal first to their State and then to the Nation. Back then one was known as a Virginian or a "Volunteer" first and only as an American to foreigners. That situation has completely reversed over the past 200 years where now very few people are loyal to their States. This is one of the results of very little State sovereignty.

Most of the military rank-and-file I have talked to are disgusted with Democratic leadership. I seriously doubt you'd see many of them side with California. I would also note that unless they are National Guard units, their chain-of-command doesn't go through the State's Governor in the first place. I would think they would be a huge liability - rather than an asset - to such Californians.

There are several Amendments I would revoke, notably the Twelfth and Seventeenth, or revise/clarify like the Fourteenth.

And BTW, there is nothing that says that the Legislature can't ignore or override the Judiciary. All they have to do is pass a law with their desired intent. They can also impeach members of the Judiciary (Supreme Court) who exceed their authority, though it has never been done to my knowledge. What I think is a bigger problem is that many Supreme Court actions have assumed the legitimacy of a particular Legislative action when they should have turned it down for lack of jurisdiction. Every single Welfare-related policy should have been overturned in this manner.

My thought was to introduce an Amendment that required every Bill to come before Congress to have two mandatory sections: a section stating its purported Constitutional authority and a twilight provision if it necessitated funding. I would also like to have another Amendment which prevents unrelated amendments to be proposed to any legislation. A last one is an Amendment which would state that every Federal Agency's budget would have to be individually appropriated - it could not be included in a larger bill. This one would cause our current government to grind to a halt or cut out dead weight. ;)

I've thought of a couple more, but they're for another thread.

At least the state governments would have to compete with each other if the feds were downsized. Overbearing states would lose population and the best people would leave

The only problem with that is that there are a fair number of military bases in California. Which side would they take? During the Civil War, military and naval bases within the South went with the South.

I am in accord with the Federal 13th, 14th, 15th,
and 19th Amendments. I do not think that the citi-
zen should be handed over to be a serf to his state
government.

Sometimes when I point out that the Second Amendment is there as a final line of defense against tyranny, people respond that if there was a revolution, what would we replace the current government with? I reply, well, that laid out in the Constitution of the United States, of course! And I would include all 27 current amendments. What I would not include is all the Supreme Court decisions, "case law" substituting for what the Constitution actually says, 200+ years of "judicial precedent," etc. Finally, we should put teeth into the 10th Amendment - as far as I know, its never been repealed, just ignored by liberals...

Actually, a huge number of persons living in California own guns, but those will leave the state when it secedes, or take it over from the melting snowflakes.

Lol. Yup.

Perhaps it's a great idea to let CA secede, but then again wouldn't that just increase the length of the border that we will have secure?

Oh, yikes. You hit on something I never thought about but very well could be. Thanks for chiming in.

Sorry I'm late into this...but I've got to say, as much as I'd like to see the cancer that is California removed from the Union, not the land mind you, but the Liberal organisms that run it, there could be severe consequences. Within a short time they would be Broke with a capital B. Then as a sovereign country they would be eligible for foreign aid. From whom. Wait for it.....us US. Our politicians have too much invested in La La land to let it go Bye Bye. So let them make all the noise they want, let us do what pisses them off more than anything..IGNORE them. Keep a eye on them, but , ignore them the same way they did us when we complained about Pres Obama.

I hope so

paradise ruined....recycle it...

There are certain exit clauses in various State Constitutions which mandate automatic withdrawal from the United States of America if triggered and I believe Texas has such. Montana has one conditioned on the recognition of an individual right to bear arms. It came up as a political discussion in Montana during the Heller case.

I've been following their movement for several years, and it looks to me as if they'll actually DO it!
http://www.thetnm.org

I dont think the feds would allow it however, no matter what the vote was. Look what happened when the south wanted to secede. CIVIL WAR. I would move there if they did secede tho

Now that was funny. Kudos.

keep your eye on Texas!

I agree. Its done. I moved from there in 1991. I just got tired of all the regulations, governmental audits, and nazi-like collection of fines and fees.

I have moved around to seek the most free states, but its getting harder now. Nevada wasnt as bad as california, but its gotten bad too. Maybe Utah will be next for me, but the feds are trying to take over all the states. I doubt Trump will do much about that, but I hope he does.

California would be the last one to adopt libertarian principles. This state is pretty much authoritarian.

Maybe we disband the federal government in its current form, and return ALL powers to the states, who can compete with each other for the best living conditions. Bad state and local governments would mean people would leave. Competition in government is a good thing, which we only have now by moving long distances to other countries.