Yearning for Good, Old-Fashioned Paganism

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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Give me the dawn of the Greek golden age in philosophy and not the setting of reason’s sun in the gloom, doom and nihilism of postmodernism.

At first thought, while reading the heading, one would think...why paganism...they were mystical barbarians with no conscience. But as you read this short piece you begin to get a sense of what the author is yearning for...and in some cases...so do we.

What's attractive and stunning about the Greek civilization is not their wars, their buildings, not their humanitarian failures nor their form of governance...no that's not it at all...it was a glorious time because for the first time, the delusional voices of the gods ceased and out of all that confusion came some men, for the first time in history, that could begin to think for themselves, by themselves.

As Julian Jaynes reveals, mankind in this region upon earth could finally see the light at the opening of that long mysterious tunnel...the subconscious, a place foreboding until then...as mankind crawled up the steps of consciousness and into his mind, for the first time, he could "begin" to make sense of existence, his behavior, his morals and his actions... guided from that time on... by his own mind.
That must have been an amazing time...to see one's existence for the first time and to investigate all it's nuances.

What was particularly amusing to me was that the author calls the "post modernist", (liberals and progressives)... Neo Pagans...haven't I and others been saying the same thing?...(preconscious pagans with no means of self control... The Alaistar Crowley "be what ever you will" generation.)
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
    And lo it came to pass that by chariot Cycnus, Son of War, stalked the offshore passage of the golden galley of King Midos when he happened upon Craboltus the used catapult salesman in Opp, a town on the outskirts of Herakleion, throne city of all Crete.
    And Craboltus sayth unto Cycnus, "Good sir who cometh on so wealthy a chariot, may I interest you in a catapult? Consider this honey that's going for only eleven nine ninety-nine."
    And lo Cycnus did notice that all the catapult were locked, loaded and altogether aimed out to demo harmlessly bomb the sea.
    And Cycnus said, "I require a demo to test how well these catapults hurl their boulder loads."
    "For safety sake," Craboltus said, "let us wait for King Midos to pass us by. For I see his golden galley yon."
    Yay, but Cycnus did contend, "I have no patience to wait on the royal arse of yon Midos."
    And lo Cycnus did leap from his chariot and run amuck, snapping taut catapult ropes with swings of his sword.
    Boulder after boulder flew as Cycnus did pray unto his father, "O mighty Ares of War, my father, guide mine boulders true to send the golden galley of King Midos unto the depths of Poseidon and on to the shore of the River Styx so that he have no coin to pay Charon the Boatman and so not see the Elysian fields but forever roam the Stygian shore as a wailing shade."
    Thus did Ares possess a mynah bird who flew along side of his son's sword-swinging mayhem.
    And great Ares the mynah bird did say, "That's sick, Cyc. That's so sick that I am pleased with your blood-lust."
    And lo it came to pass that all the boulders happened to hit the golden galley of one deceased King Midos, his heir and all his wives and other children and all of his crew save for one.
    Yay, and that one was mighty Hercules, Son of Zeus, who was not yet fated to meet Hades, Lord of the Dead.
    And poor Craboltus did wail unto Cycnus, Son of War, "You sank the king! You sank the king!"
    "So what that I sank your king?" Cycnus said as he climbed back onto his chariot. "I have not paid eleven nine ninety-nine for a single one of your catapults."
    Thus did Cycnus depart, leaving poor Craboltus to face the wrath of mighty Hercules, who did indeed come looking for the owner of some certain catapults altogether aimed to hurl reloads out into then sea. .
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
    Hi Carl,
    While watching an episode of a survival show called naked and afraid.
    The contestant as he was suffering from his inability to provide for himself. Said " I keep hearing this voice in the back of my head, telling me to leave"
    This was interesting as it basically(the show) puts someone back, far back in time as far as basic needs go.
    With his statement I thought of the bicameral brain theory.
    The conscious and bicameral man maybe coexisting. When under severe duress or stress, the ability to stay conscious may become more difficult. The brainwashed young adults (generalizing here) are likely under some kind of cognitive duress from the confusion of contradictions presented from a leftist ideology and the reality of survival.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
      That is a problem in the first 6 levels of awareness; the bicameral brain can take over at any time, during trying times.
      The other part of the equation is the lack of profound metaphors written or spoken because they haven't been exposed to the classics and diverse thought at all.
      We see many immigrants that have a command of the language but lack the ability to relate metaphorically...in fact, much of the worlds languages themselves, have a metaphoric problem and that's why they have yet to achieve any real sense of self introspection and behavioral control beyond the fear of consequences...hell, some don't even have that to fear...ie, isis.
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      • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 3 months ago
        Just to be clear, are you writing about Julian Jaynes' "bicameral mind" or about the "bicameral brain" (two hemisphere brain) which has two parts with different functions which communicate with each other? The two hemisphere brain can send thoughts from a subconscious part to a conscious part in, sometimes, a very forceful manner which in those with certain beliefs, damage, or chemical imbalance can be considered as being about reality when they really are just irrational drivel from one part of the brain.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
          Good question. Understand that the lamestream psy...still think the mind is in your head, that it's ok to use either brain or mind and that they mean the same thing. They do not. Mankind does not or ever had a split mind; we do however, have a split brain, one inwhich started to integrate and cooperated as if one brain, at the dawn of conscious introspection about 3000 years ago.
          According to the observations of Jaynes...forgive him for not being specific...no one else has either.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
      Told ya you're a walking encyclopedia.
      https://www.google.com/search?q=bicam...
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      • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
        For some reason this comes to mind
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZyUW...
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
          Accident prone?
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          • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
            Actually no 1st injury at 4 years old when my brother told me to grab apiece of metal out of a smoldering fire in the alley , next the wind slammed the door on my finger in 5th grade
            And at 42 I sliced my finger on an ice fishing auger while sharpening the blade, oh and Tom Griffin pushed me from behind into the swing at recess chipped front tooth.Also 5th grade.
            Knocking on the wood boss ,still knocking still knockingon the wood
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7QwT...
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            • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
              I'm thinking about the times I could have been killed.
              As a little boy I found out that you don't sit on a dead limb after climbing high into a tree.
              I hit the ground so hard that it collapsed my lungs. Fortunately, I could breathe just enough to crawl home on all fours.
              When drafted and placed in the Marines late 1969, I immediately had a vision of charging a machine gun as being my last act alive. Then I Iearned Marines were being pulled out of Vietnam. Had I been placed in the Army, I may have charged the envisioned machine gun.
              During 1973 I fell into the rapids beneath the photogenic falls of Yosemite Park. I was swept along with such force my upper shirt did not get wet. I wrapped my arm around a shoreline rock 20 feet later.
              As a reporter during the 70s, I watched a guy I wrote about going to jail and a friend of his come to either beat me up or worse where they had me cornered alone in a laundromat. I watched the friend chicken out and so did the felon out on bail.
              In one day I survived stepping into quicksand and falling off a cliff. I was supposed to photograph the famous Cahaba River water lilies. Bad weather ruined that. A lack of trees ahead made me think I was approaching a farmer's field as I hacked my way out with a machete. I saw the deep gorge just as I fell into it, seeing boulders waiting below. I grabbed a bush and climbed out like Indiana Jones.
              During the 80s I thought I was going to be killed during a short lived prison riot. Attempting to rescue an officer with a rep for bullying, I tried to snatch the officer's purloined baton out of an inmate's hand. Instead, we grabbed each other's baton. Right when I thought to knee my combatant in the jewels, two inmates pulled me down from behind. There I was with that baton grabbing inmate on top of me with many an inmate's feet milling around. I expected to have my head kicked in but all the inmates wanted to see the bullying officer get beat up. Those onlooking inmates backed off when many blue uniforms came running to the rescue within a minute.
              There were a couple of times I could have been killed in a car wreck but that would be kind of a stretch.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
          Funny...
          I actually am beginning to think of this as a time inwhich we will learn many truths...the old ways are falling apart and a very small percentage of us have evolved to the next phase of conscious thought, behavior and world view...according to some, and I think the guy that wrote Spiral Dynamics; that percentage is .01 of the American population.
          One should notice that it is the English speaking nations that are the highest percentage awake...aside from the romance languages...the rest of the world is still in bicameral times.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 3 months ago
    I think politics should be secular, as opposed to
    mystical or religious; I am in accord with the First
    Amendment (and yes, I believe it does not allow
    the government to establish generic deism, either.) Plus, I don't believe in Plato's cave. I side more with Aristotle.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
      I side with Aristotle too.
      However...I don't care from where it comes from so long as politicians act in a moral, ethical, honest way...( yes, there is one basic standard in regards to those things)...of course it would be better if there was no such thing as politics in the first place.
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