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How Many Bricklayers Did Galt Invite to the Gulch?

Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 8 months ago to Culture
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Galt went around inviting famous artists, noted business leaders to the Guch, but once there, who built their houses? Who paved their streets, dug their sewer lines?

This isn't a class warfare argument; the building of a house, for example, not only takes a skilled architect, but also skilled craftsmen and industrious laborers.

If the criterion for admission is a belief in "trading value for value", surely Galt should and would have invited "ordinary" workers to the Gulch as well as luminaries like Wyatt and Danagger?

Such people exist lower down on the ladder; people who believe in trading value for value, but lack the creative ability to invent a new motor or miraculous metal. People who didn't inherit an already successful railroad or copper mines, but would be able to get a day's worth of coal or copper dug in a day's worth of hours for a day's worth of pay. Maybe they lack the ambition to go through the headache of running a company when they get more satisfaction from digging coal out of the ground. Maybe they lack the self discipline necessary to see their visions to reality, but are still able and still believe in trading value for value.

What Utopians always underestimate in their rhetoric (no disparagement of Ms Rand intended) is the example America set before them. People's abilities and worth are not necessarily evidenced by their position in life. All the creative brilliance in the world will not get a brick wall built. A brick wall built without knowledge and skill won't stand, but the most creative and brilliantly designed wall will never exist without someone to lay it up brick by brick. Someone whose creative skill may be shrouded by prejudice toward his position in life.

There may not be a place in the Gulch for someone like me. But that would be Galt's loss.


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  • Posted by Dirtybird0051 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Bless you for your patience...and perhaps you are right. But I was not blessed with a lot of patience and I could be wrong, but I don't think the original post was intended as a question at all. I think it was intended to point out a "problem" with the book which is not really an issue at all if you actually read the book. Reading between the lines I see the same old argument of the producers excluding the "poor pitiful working man" blah blah blah...it gets old. I started as a working man and now I am a professional...the book among other things is about self-reliance...which is hardly exclusionary. If I am wrong and the question was truly a question my apologies...but based on his comments about Galt's "destruction" of the world I think I am on the right track...no worries!!
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  • Posted by ghumor 11 years, 8 months ago
    I think your observations are "spot-on". What I thought of while reading your questions was Rand's comment about the sticking champagne cork during a dinner between Dagny and John: it would not be the "main event" of their evening together. From which point she deduced the principal, "In living one IGNORES the unimportant, in art one OMITS it". (Yes, I know this is in her writings somewhere. It seems very appropriate here--like the actual explanation for the gulch's "missing bricklayers" in Atlas Shrugged).
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, that's a new one. When was the last time you read the book?
    You know that the working title of it was "The Strike", right?
    Can you cite anything that supports the assertion about refuge because of notoriety? I'm fascinated as to how you could get that from this book - and I want to re-read the same passages and see if I see what you see.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Galt was the second man to walk out of Starnes when the Starnes heirs put the "from each..to each" plan into play at 20th Century, saying he was going to stop the motor of the world. The first man was his boss, William Hastings.
    ---someday someone will do an AS compendium, so I can look up these pesky quotes when I want them. The information was given to Dagny in answer to "Who is John Galt?"

    Every time I read it, and that's a couple of pages every day, I get something new and deeper.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ahh, pensions, one of my favorite subjects.

    So you give your money each week or month (or your employer does it for you via the communist party - I mean union) to a guy who you've never met or spoken to because he promises you that he will take your money, invest it for you, and you don't have to ever think about it again, but that it will grow into vast riches without you ever doing a thing, or thinking about it. Then one day you are told that some evil guy has been living large while you worked. And you are surprised????? Really??????

    How about taking personal responsibility and managing your own money. Then when you blow it because you don't have time to do a good job, at least you can look in a mirror and blame the right person.

    Or you find a local person who does this work, you turn the job over to him, cut out the union (who gets a cut of every dollar - what? You think they do it for free???). Tell the boss you don't want him to take out those dollars every week and give it all to the guy who you can look in the eye, call on the phone, bang on his door, etc.

    Social Security?? You don't believe in Santa Clause too, do ya?
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  • Posted by texastoast61 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Galt was not originally a track walker. He was a brilliant electrical engineer who was the first to bring attention to the public that good men were becoming scarce. Hence, "Who is John Galt ?" He didn't start the strike, just joined it later. In a way, he became a sort of recruiter, on the lookout for those who were ripe to join the strike. In that endeavor, he became a track walker to be near Dagny. To watch her struggles and wait for the right time to confront her. Dagny upset that plan when she crashed in the gulch. I don't know if the book describes who recruited Galt after he left the motor company. I'm presently re-reading the novel for the sixth time to see if I might have missed it. Wouldn't surprise me if I did. Every time I read it I learn something new.
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  • Posted by Peter_P 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly why people find out their pensions are worthless. Governments, companies, buy "junk" etc ect.
    But yes, stealing can be hard work too.
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  • Posted by clive12000 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "stated" ignorant? No. Mistakenly implied perhaps, although suggestion of ignorance was not my goal. My goal was laziness not ignorance. However, I do take your point now, in that I see it as somewhat counter productive to frighten off newbies being, as you say their "overaggressive effort to come across as cerebral". I will bare that in mind when posting in future. Thank you.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    New folks here sometimes get caught up in an overaggressive effort to come across as cerebral, and word things not in keeping with their true convictions.

    It happens too often, and they get dissed to the point that we never really get to know how they really feel...since they leave.

    I'm not saying that this is one of those cases, and your post was spot on, until you stated that he/she was Objectivism ignorant.

    That is all I was pointing out....
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  • Posted by clive12000 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yep..but I stand by by judgment. Even if they are new to Objectivism, they still have not understood it. I think the line that set me off was use of the word Utopians, because it distances the author by saying "you guys think your so perfect", meaning there are things that we don't know but you claim you do, meaning you claim knowledge about a non-reality, which is an attempt to reduce the philosophy to another form of mysticism. And if I really wanted to be paranoid I would say that the subconscious effort behind that is that if O'ists could be shown to be mystical in any way, then A=Non A and then entire philosophy is destroyed.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So a bricklayer is earning by means of labor, BUT the Wall st guys aren't laboring???

    Are you saying that if you sweat it's labor and you've earned it, but if you work where you don't sweat as you work, you don't earn your higher pay????

    I'd say dollars earned by honest means are equally earned - even if sweat is not involved. If I buy 10,000 widgits and convince somebody to pay me double for all of them the next week, I've earned my profit. Wall St operates the same way. "Money is a tool that allows us to trade with one another" - sound familiar? Francisco AS2 Wedding speech.
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  • Posted by JossAmbrose 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are certain loopholes in the UK...

    I know another guy who owns some land & was refused planning permission - again, for no good reason. So, he built (& lives in) a large 'structure'... on wheels (non permanent). Not a damned thing the authorities could do stop him 'parking' on his own land.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Remember, we are all John Galt. John was a self made man of very meger means. Just when he built the motor that would drive his life to success and riches, he sees the "heirs" taking over and "spreading his wealth around".

    Sorta like "you know who".
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  • Posted by jtrikakis 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good for you. I am very much like you, but still working because I love what I do (IT Networking). I've lived and worked on farms, planted crops, bailed hay and wheat, clean pig coops, and shoved more pig crap that should be allowed.When America falls (it will), I am prepared.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I recall the Midas said he bought miles of that land from ranchers who never knew what they owned. Having known some men like those ranchers, I can tell you that having money to purchase a large tract of land, is not the same thing as having a vision of what to do with the land, building, farm or ranch.

    Midas had a vision, Galt/Ragnor/Francisco brought it to life.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that they were trying to destroy the world or at least let it fall under its own weight.. Through most of the book Dagny opposed them. She was fighting to fix the problems in the world. She found giving up unthinkable until things really turned to worms and she saw too many people not pulling their weight or trying to bully producers into producing under threats of torture and death to them and their families.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It isn't any different here, Joss.

    We all like to think that we could just buy some land, and put up our own house using the internet for instructions...but there isn't any way (that I know of) to bypass the regulatory aspect of building anything larger than a birdhouse.

    Sounds good, though!
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  • Posted by $ sagavia 11 years, 8 months ago
    I see some silly comments about how hard it is to build houses and plumbing, I assume from people who have done neither. Both construction and plumbing take some care, knowledge and time, but no part of either is difficult. We can notice that great cigarettes and hamburger were not difficult for the gulch residents. A competent person can master whatever they need to. As I recall, the gulch was primarily a refuge for people for who the outside world was too dangerous due to their notoriety.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 8 months ago
    Don't assume that they didn't build their own homes themselves, or even lay their own bricks themselves. To assume the "they couldn't have" might be construed as reverse class warfare.

    Before I went on strike myself, I owned a business and taught at university level, but I grew up as the child of a carpenter and followed him and my grandfather around with a hammer from the time I could carry one. I designed and built the home we live in, acting as my own general contractor and doing all the landscaping myself. Right down to the concrete work with a trowel in my hand.

    I can build a radio from a couple old style TVs, wire a substation or a home. And I actually built a airplane twenty years ago. There are tools in my shop for welding, machining, woodworking and I'm a real, honest to goodness potter who can make a set of dishes or a flower vase. I'm also a VERY good shot and I can feed my family from the bounty God gave us - you see, I know where food comes from and it's not a super market.

    Don't sell us strikers short - we've got skills, crazy skills. That's why we are on strike.

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  • Posted by davecusenza 11 years, 8 months ago
    Most self made men had to work hard to get to where they are. In high school I apprenticed under a painter who taught me how to do almost anything that needs doing, plumbing, electrical, masonry, carpentry, on top of painting. That is how I worked my way through college. Since then I have worn many hats, large and small, have flown jet planes and helicopters, and yes run my own commercial product design business for the last twenty years, but I still take pride in doing my wife's honey do list around the property. A self made person is self sufficient by nature so do not assume just because a person it at the top he didn't work his way up from the bottom. Ayn Rand never dismissed the workman, only those people who wanted unearned gains from the hard work of others. That is the true definition of greed.
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