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How Many Bricklayers Did Galt Invite to the Gulch?

Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 8 months ago to Culture
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Galt went around inviting famous artists, noted business leaders to the Guch, but once there, who built their houses? Who paved their streets, dug their sewer lines?

This isn't a class warfare argument; the building of a house, for example, not only takes a skilled architect, but also skilled craftsmen and industrious laborers.

If the criterion for admission is a belief in "trading value for value", surely Galt should and would have invited "ordinary" workers to the Gulch as well as luminaries like Wyatt and Danagger?

Such people exist lower down on the ladder; people who believe in trading value for value, but lack the creative ability to invent a new motor or miraculous metal. People who didn't inherit an already successful railroad or copper mines, but would be able to get a day's worth of coal or copper dug in a day's worth of hours for a day's worth of pay. Maybe they lack the ambition to go through the headache of running a company when they get more satisfaction from digging coal out of the ground. Maybe they lack the self discipline necessary to see their visions to reality, but are still able and still believe in trading value for value.

What Utopians always underestimate in their rhetoric (no disparagement of Ms Rand intended) is the example America set before them. People's abilities and worth are not necessarily evidenced by their position in life. All the creative brilliance in the world will not get a brick wall built. A brick wall built without knowledge and skill won't stand, but the most creative and brilliantly designed wall will never exist without someone to lay it up brick by brick. Someone whose creative skill may be shrouded by prejudice toward his position in life.

There may not be a place in the Gulch for someone like me. But that would be Galt's loss.


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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    or someone new to Objectivism. For instance, they saw the movies and haven't read the book yet. Encouragement, por favor. But your points are well taken.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ummmm.....I think I missed that.
    AND I never got the idea that anyone was "invited" to the Gulch. All had to be shown, many had to be persuaded, often over some time. Examine a number of the scenes between Hank and Francisco or Dagny and Francisco, in which Francisco reveals the suffering - Rand says "torture" of the life he has CHOSEN to live in Prometheus' cause. The strike is not a picnic to which you invite your friends, it is ... a choice - different for everyone, and hard for almost all.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    P.S. The "bricklayer" reference is in the title of the original post.

    I like a great deal of the backstory, with the exception of the last sentence - and I think it's sitting on an unclear premise. If a man is laying brick, does that make him A Bricklayer? Not necessarily - that's what he's doing now. A number of people, both in AS and out, are doing work which is not what they ARE - if you're on strike, you take your mind off the market, but many people still need to earn a living. The job does not define the man.
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  • Posted by Jack 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Utopian - actually translates as "nowhere" From Thomas Moore. The Utopians were the progenitors of the communist and socialists. During the 1700's under Godwin and his wife/lover Wolsetncraft (the rights of woman and the mother of Marry Shelly).

    The Utopians were products the British leisure class that mentally masturbated about a world the way they would like it verses the way it actually is. The end result was the massive suffering inflicted on the world by communism. That about sums it up.

    Kindest

    Jack
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Precisely! While my current job is in the Disaster Response field, I've also built a workshop, have rewired a number of shops (above and beyond code, BTW!), paved my share of roads, worked as a mechanic, cook, and baker to name a few... when you read the book, you notice that Rearden (and likely the rest of the strikers) started from the bottom (or near to it) and worked their way up, gaiing and developing skills they would use later. Just because someone owns a major company or is CEO of a multinational corporation doesn't necessarily mean their manual skills are lacking... Who knows what Midas Mulligan did before he started his first bank, or Judge Narragansett did before he went to law school...

    Additionally, I noticed that a good number of the striker's employees followed them to the gulch... while the focus of the book is on the elite, it appears that a lot of "underlings" (also bringing their own set of skills, practiced or prelearned) who met the requirements of residence were there as well... Of course, it would have been nice had Ayn touched on this a bit more than she did, but given that the Gulch had been populated and worked on over the 10+ years before the story line kicks in, it would make sense that either Midas et al hired competent contractors to lay the foundations of the village early on, or attracted/recruited them to "the cause"...
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  • Posted by newtlove 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "...You assume that because they were magnates in their field, they were incapable of performing any other task."
    Exactly! When Dagny "dropped out," she went to her cabin and started in on manual labor tasks.
    Somebody is being a linear thinker (reader).
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  • Posted by FUDC 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Galt was attracted to and recruited the best of society. They were attracted to the Gulch, because they were all sick of the lazy, worthless, greedy, statists. When you recruit the best managers and thinkers... they will always want to hire the best craftsmen, and honest and skilled workers for EVERY task.
    Many people around the country are establishing their own "gulch" and plumbers, builders, craftsmen, and experts in every field are sought out.
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  • Posted by franklyspeaking 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When you are a slve to long some can develope a slave mentality. The think people own jobs or positions. The Idea of earning it is alien. to bad.
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  • Posted by franklyspeaking 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Before working in a lab. I have managed a hatchery, been a ashphalt paving technician, a house framer, I designed floor plans and lot plans for my Dad who was a general contractor. Growing up he made me work for many of the subcontractors. LOL
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  • Posted by Got_it 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree - the premise is wrong. In my case we started at 18 (married then) knowing how to do basically nothing.

    Figured it out fast - no help from parents or friends. Later in life I did get support from others besides my wife, just not between 18 - 21.

    Ended up in USAF (navigator) for 6 years (draft eligible 1A), attended college (two bachelors and two masters), software design engineer --> program manager.

    Retired early. Married 45 years, same bride.

    Electrically wired daughter's new construction home (no inspector gigs) having never read a single electricians "code" - ever.

    Did a frame off on a 75 Olds (still chirps in second) and finally built and flew a 200 MPH metal (14,000 rivets) airplane (RV7A).

    You can learn and you can compete on many levels. That is what life is all about - pushing yourself to just do it.

    No Feds needed. We will soon be forced to go Galt when the economy dies. I am ready though. Are you?
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  • Posted by franklyspeaking 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are right on point. Francisco helped Reardon save his foundry during an accident. Clearly a jack of many trades.
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  • Posted by clive12000 11 years, 8 months ago
    There are two mistaken premises in this question. Firstly the abstract use of the class ladder, because in this context it is what is implied, regardless of the deceptive earlier comment that "this isn't a class warfare argument"; It is merely a question of applied effort, and a brick layer, no matter who, ought to apply himself to the best of his effort, just as Galt would with his own work. So both men would be equal in terms of effort, but Galt's ability would have a greater impact of which other men would stand to gain more from his efforts.
    The second mistaken premise is the use of the term Utopians. Objectivist philosophy has never stated that it would lead to any form of Utopia, just as Capitalism does not lead to guaranteed success. Who's Utopian rhetoric are you quoting? and why would you then attribute their comments to Ayn Rand whilst lightly backpedaling. Aside from those two mistaken premises, what makes you think that even if bricklayers etc were not brought in to the Gulch, and I see no reason why they wouldn't be; between the people that are there; the men(people) of the mind, why would you think that they couldn't build a road or a house from scratch? They may even be able to build vehicles that do not require roads. Do you think Howard Roark couldn't build a fine cabin ( I realize he is from another story)? Or perhaps between them they'd know which tradesmen they'd like to approach as and when they needed to. This question can only have been posed by someone that has not understood Objectivism.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would think that we are hands and minds unified together (skills plus power and guidance). So, yes, someone who is willing to work and trade is of value. Someone who is willing to learn forever more and teach others (for a fee or barter) so they also improve is of more value.
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  • Posted by SD86 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure about that... they all disappeared the night Rearden did, but the book is not clear on whether or not they went to the Gulch with Readen (and Francisco). Francisco did have one of his mine personnel working on his Gulch mine.
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  • Posted by SD86 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Galt recruited Kellogg partially to take him away from Dagny and continue undermining Taggart Transcontinental. Many of Galt's recruits were to take them away from businesses and cause said businesses to crash and burn... including Rearden Steel...
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  • Posted by TN_Libertarian 11 years, 8 months ago
    Interesting post... I think back to "The Fountainhead" in which the character Mike becomes impressed with Howard Roark's abilities to actually produce what he designs. Mike then becomes a "follower" of Roark's. Your point that certain people can trade value for value is a good one. I've found that often the people who pursue excellence gravitate towards leaders of similar excellence. I'm assuming that Galt brought along other people that are not mentioned in the book.
    Additionally, many of the exceptional and creative people were good at the physical aspects of their work as well. Examples include Dagny doing maintenance on her cabin and planning to build a narrow gauge rail line at the property. Also Rearden sprining to action when the fire starts in the factory. He was leading the charge in rescue and putting out the fire. He knew the physical aspects of the job, but found his time better rewarded in the office on most days.
    Also at the beginning of the book, the employee who comes to Dagny and wants to resign wasn't a "top" creative person... he was just a guy working hard and on his way up. Galt found him and took him away early.
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  • Posted by dpesec 11 years, 8 months ago
    Remember Gault worked at TT as a yard worker. So he wasn't above the blue collar worker. HE actually was, if I remember correctly, at 20th Century Motor. What was not allowed in the GG was the Entitlement mentality. I suspect that's why people didn't work at what they were skilled or did outside the Gulch.
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