How did taxes work before the 16th Amendment?
Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 8 months ago to Government
I've been reading this graphic novel about the U.S. Constitution:
The United States Constitution: A Graphic Adaptation
Written by Jonathan Hennessey
Art by Aaron McConnell
Anyway, on page 50, it talks about how Article I of the Constitution originally stopped Congress from collecting property or income tax. But in 1913, the 16th Amendment was passed, giving Congress the power to do just that.
So the question I have is what kind of taxes were there before 1913, and what was Congress's primary method of raising money?
The United States Constitution: A Graphic Adaptation
Written by Jonathan Hennessey
Art by Aaron McConnell
Anyway, on page 50, it talks about how Article I of the Constitution originally stopped Congress from collecting property or income tax. But in 1913, the 16th Amendment was passed, giving Congress the power to do just that.
So the question I have is what kind of taxes were there before 1913, and what was Congress's primary method of raising money?
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1. How did taxes work before the year 1913?
2. How did the government raise money?
Tariffs were mentioned in response to #2, and I'm wondering if there were any other methods as well, and I'd still like more information on #1.
b) Poll taxes. Also easy to collect.
c)the other types of taxation were harder to collect.
d)before 1913, they instituted an income tax just for the civil war.
2. tariffs were number 1. three were set in short order following the Revolution 2.Taxes on whiskey and glass windows(short in duration on the second).3. poll taxes-you paid to vote 4. property taxes on land and commercial bldgs 5. eventually broadened to excise tax (sales) and starting in 1900, 6. Inheritance tax
Perhaps you are not getting both sides… John Stewart has taken several hyperbolic out of context comments and made the most of them. He is right on some of his points as far as it goes. The problem with this assertion is those conservative talking heads have no power, so they can talk all they want but they can’t actually affect us. Having said that, the liberals are not only saying asinine unconstitutional things they are actively seeking and passing legislation contrary to our constitution. When they are not succeeding our POTUS is acting in contradiction to our constitution with executive orders. The de-facto institution of the Dream Act in contradiction to congress…The bombing of Libya without congressional approval…The NLRB board appointments made during a “recess” were ruled unconstitutional. The two liberal legislators in Colorado have found out the hard way that infringing the second amendment rights of constituents has consequences. The Obama care law violates the rights of the religious by forcing them to pay for abortions contrary to their beliefs which is a violation of their right of conscience. The NDAA is a violation of due process. The patriot act has unconstitutional aspects yet this administration has not let it sunset and in fact has expanded it. The NSA is collecting data contrary to your 4th amendment rights. It is unconstitutional for the president to exempt some from aspects of the Obamacare law, since the law is supposed to apply equally. Spying on reporters without due process and seizure of the AP phone records… The liberals are trying to pass the small arms treaty with the U.N. that despite the MSM spin is selling our sovereignty and rights wholesale… You say the martial law in Boston was an act of the city government, but how many of the city councilmen/women are conservative? The list goes on and on.
The conservatives are not in power and do not hold majority.
These following blog sites have as much legitimacy as does Mr. Stewart…
http://libertycounselaction.org/content/...
http://evilofindifference.wordpress.com/...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blog...
http://www.aei.org/article/politics-and-...
The most salient point is that, yes, there are conservative voices and religious zealots making noise, but they are not in power and can actually do nothing to us, while those in control are whitewashing all they are up to.
Are we keeping score? Or are we going to fight these abuses regardless of source?
Respectfully,
O.A.
www.addictinginfo.org/2013/09/14/detroit...
I already have. I have acknowledged that it happens on both sides. But, I will tell you what was reported locally. I am from this area and the local news reports on channel 2 reported that there was no power failure, but there was an overheating cable under ground about to fail if the load was not reduced. Due to a crumbling infrastructure which has dilapidated without concern under the many decades of Democratic mismanagement of the city it is no wonder these things happen. There are street lights out, fire departments without toilet paper or working plumbing, broken fire trucks and ambulances, potholes, collapsing/abandoned buildings, water main breaks, and general disrepair throughout. If you are familiar with recent Detroit history then you should understand that over the years many times Detroit officials in many of the departments have been under investigation and some like Monica Conyers and Kwami Kilpatrick as well as other underlings at the various departments have been fired, fined, and/or incarcerated for malfeasance and outright theft of taxpayer monies. If this were not so Detroit would not be in the place it is now and the state would not be involved. Who is to blame? I think it was a hasty action, but it was reported on the local stations, the buildings in question were notified, but I too feel they should have been given a bit more consideration and if truly necessary they should have entered the buildings and evacuated before cutting the power. Having said that, I live outside of the city and we experience power outages routinely that last much longer and nobody even reports it on the News... But when it happens in the city, even if it is for less than 24 hours, the media make a mountain of it.
The answer is to privatize the utilities in the city. They no longer have the money or the confidence of the people to competently provide necessary services.
I do not support or denounce all the actions of republicans or democrats. Neither party is satisfactory to me, but today one stands out as especially fiscally irresponsible... I abhor taxpayer abuse regardless of source, reason, local or national.
Just like Detroit, our greatest long term threat to our constitution and our nation is bankruptcy from our burgeoning debt and unfunded liabilities. Ask yourself why the Democrat controlled Senate has refused to pass a budget for the last five years; a circumstance which heretofore has never occurred. Continuing resolutions are not a budget.
Would it make you feel better if I listed all the names of republicans I have previously expressed disapproval? Would that change the present circumstances of liberal democrats trying to run our lives, force us to buy o-care, invading our privacy, limit our soft drink sizes, salt intake, public smoking, revising our children's text books with histrionics, teaching our youth to be statist progressives etc... ? I do not approve of this any more than I do the over zealous conservatives who wish to legislate what we do behind closed doors in our own homes.
Again I ask you; are we keeping score? Is this that important to you? If so, then I must ask you to try seeing past partisanship and address all that is happening now regardless of source?
Respectfully,
O.A.
There is a long list of things to be named just like this one.
Please explain.
:)
Here ya go:
The Conservative Assault on the Constitution, by Erwin Chemerinsky:
http://www.amazon.com/Conservative-Assau...
The Constitution Is Under Attack as the Right Tries to Establish A State Religion:
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/05/21/c...
Who’s Attacking the Constitution Now?
http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/31/wh...
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Cana...
http://pjmedia.com/blog/im-glad-that-i-d...
at the end of the article, it was mentioned that social issues are never discussed, and his comparisons between bordering states and provinces, bear this out,
1. number of unemployed on welfare
2. crime related to border (even thought the US/Canada border is the longest border between two countries, almost all enforcement effort is dedicated to US/Mexico border. Crime rates in the Southern border states is markedly higher than in the northern border states (exempting major cities). I believe this is in part due to
3. Drug laws and enforcement artificially creating black markets.
Me thinks that guy ISN"T much of an objective Constitutionalist and more agenda driven. Not a good reference.
I'll check the others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Cheme...
http://www.salon.com/2012/11/03/why_does...
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/adam...
http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com/201...
http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/article...
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-...
I could go on and on:
Difference is the left is getting away with it!
Sorry you are picking articles that you want to see.
Also, what's wrong with being on the Ninth Circuit?
I expect a circuit judge and law professor to adhere to the Constitution. The second amendment is quite clear. It is only muddied by those who seek to promote an agenda.
Also, there are a ton of moderates (most Americans, actually) who aren't dead set one way or the other, and who can certainly be swayed based on the information and political messages being presented to them.
For many families yes. But our govt has set things up nicely for statist rule and indoctrination. If both parents need to work in order to make up for a 35-45% or larger income tax rate," home environment" has less time to countermand school indoctrination. Common Core represents more of indoctrination, less the education. The overall literacy rate in the US was higher before we had DOE. Wonder why?
Comcast/NBC
News Corp.
Walt Disney
CBS/Viacom
Time Warner
Sony of America
For the purposes of this discussion, lets limit the term "mainstream media" so that it refers only to media outlets controlled by one these six companies. So of these six major media companies, which ones would you consider to be predominantly liberal, which ones predominantly conservative, and which ones politically mixed or balanced?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RfEVgOf...
"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
in relation to 16th Amendment.
My point was I didn't hear any liberals crying foul over Martial Law. hey, why wouldn't you overlook the misspelling? Have I given you reason to believe I am ignorant about such?
how do you feel about welfare?
Concerning public healthcare, given that Mitt Romney implemented a public healthcare system in Massachusetts back in 2006, I would hesitate to label public healthcare as being an exclusively liberal idea. Mitt Romney is, after all, a far-right conservative. I suppose we would need to look at how well the system in Massachusetts is working before we decide whether public healthcare is a good idea or not.
As for government welfare, I dunno. There's so much misinformation being flung around by both sides on that subject that I don't know who to believe. Liberals obviously say that welfare helps the poor at the expense of the rich, but then there are people like Milton Friedman who say that welfare actually helps the middle class at the expense of the poor, which obviously flips the morality of it around completely if that's true. Separating fact from fiction is incredibly difficult on this issue.
1. Mit Romney is a moderate. He just played a Conservative on TV.
2. In the US private K-12 schools are overwhelmingly progressive. Yes, this includes catholic schools. The idea that private schools are fundamentalist, homophobic etc. -well, I'm sure there are such, but do I detect you like the idea of taking education decisions out of the hands of parents for the common good?
3.welfare. Since we started this massive redistribution program almost 70 years ago, we are no closer to winning the "war on poverty" -as a matter of fact we are alot worse off. so the program is a Fail. Transfer payments do not stimulate the economy. No wealth is created by SNAP recipients using their cards.
You do make some good points about welfare, though.