They just cannot stop trying......

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 3 months ago to Government
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Nice little video of the WH press briefing where "Josh" gets to ask all the "right" questions. Not sure what the whole thing was like, but "Josh" certainly seemed to be "the man".
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
    Oct.18,2016. "There is no serious person out there who would suggest some how that you could even rig America's election, in part
    because they're so decentralized and the numbers involved" Obama.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
      As I said in the other threat, it's fine to "suggest" anything, but the evidence shows the election was fair. President-elect Trump won the Electoral College, which is all that matters.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
        So why is your" good president" contradicting himself?
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
          Dob, you know, anything to try to stay in the game. Obama does it, Trump does it. They move and switch and see what hits. I think that is Trumps main use for Twitter, he fishes and whatever takes off, he uses. Thats how he got in the game, I think it was his "Build a wall" tweet that got everything to crank up enough to get him noticed. The "birther" thing fizzled on him big time, as no one has any concern for legality anymore, and it was impossible to prove in an undeniable way. Obama has a "birther" equivelant going on this topic, because he cannot "prove" the Russian government did it, so he will try to ratchet up the emotionalism by using all the tools (and this appears to just one of them) to incite people over it. To me, he is just showing his true, lying, manipulating self, especially in light of the fact he was caught funneling money to try to defeat Netanyahu in Israel a couple years ago. I still do not understand why no one threw that back at him when he was whining about the Russians, or does he think it's ok, because he is BHO and can do no wrong? He is just a common criminal at this point...
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
          "So why is [President Obama] contradicting himself?"
          He's not. He said the election was fair before and after the election. It's other people who are saying the election has/had widespread fraud.
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
            I would disagree, he continually changes the narrative from "It was fair and open" to "The Russians hacked into it and.." then by saying that, the implication is "effected it". He has slid slowly into "We want a do over" and just hasn't gotten there yet, but still has a few days to go.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
              The claims that our voting system is fair and that Russia attempted to influence American politics using hacking are not mutually exclusive. My understanding is both claims are true.
              "He has slid slowly into "We want a do over" "
              This would be different. Do you have a link to him saying anything remotely close to this?
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              • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago
                CircuitGuy, get this: the ODNI (Office of the Department of National Intelligence) also says:
                "A significant chunk of blame for the alleged interference in the US election campaign has been also put onto Russian media, particularly RT. The document, which incorrectly cited some of the so-called facts it used, claimed that RT served “as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.”

                In Nazi Germany, caring Germans found out what was happening IN THEIR OWN country--Germany--from newspapers surreptitiously obtained from other countries.
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              • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago
                And don't forget, just to be on the safe side, and make sure everyone knows the Democrats would have won except for....(fill in the blank), he has also blamed RT articles and social media posters for "misinformation". Well, that was his mistake. He didn't remember his Goebbels. Should have outlawed their presence on the world wide web.

                Ovomit said this in his Stephanopoulos interview, yesterday, I think:
                “I don't think I underestimated him, but I think that I underestimated the degree to which, in this new information age, it is possible for misinformation, for cyber hacking AND SO FORTH (caps mine) to have an impact on our open societies, our open systems, to insinuate themselves into our democratic practices in ways that I think are accelerating,” he said." ---In other words, people posting on forums such as this are posting misinformation and insinuating themselves into "our democratic practices".
                http://www.rt.com/usa/373017-obama-wa...

                And this about Goebbels:
                "As Minister of Enlightenment, Goebbels had two main tasks:
                to ensure nobody in Germany could read or see anything that was hostile or damaging to the Nazi Party.
                to ensure that the views of the Nazis were put across in the most persuasive manner possible.
                To ensure success, Goebbels had to work with the SS and Gestapo and Albert Speer. The former hunted out those who might produce articles defamatory to the Nazis and Hitler while Speer helped Goebbels with public displays of propaganda

                .From here: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/...



                Meaning, I don't think he likes my "cut-and-paste" jobs. He made a mistake; he forgot about Goebbels' rules of propaganda.

                Welcome to Nazi Germany, folks.
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                  Seer, I agree with all your points, they apply to exactly what is going on, and the way the who Left gang has behaved is indicative of the mindset.
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                  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago
                    And they want to say Trump is the fascist. God sent them a great delusion.
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                    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                      I have seen nothing to support that term, except the delusional leftists who seem to believe it (as if Hillary was not Mussolini's long lost sister). If any label was to be used, it might be Nationalist, but even then, he fails several tests there I think. Rational Realist, maybe. But at least he knows bad from good...for the most part...
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                      • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago
                        There's plenty of Libs on One Political Plaza who call him a fascist. And many black organizations.
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                        • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                          yep, but without justification (that is based on fact, not their vague interpretations). The name calling and labeling has gotten them to the point it is pretty meaningless...
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                          • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago
                            I thought that was my point. Maybe you're saying there is no justification for calling Trump a fascist. Nobody (on the right) questions that. It's an absurdity, like saying he is a sexist or a racist.
                            But try to pin the Leftist/Liberals down, and they can't even tell you what "fascist" or "fascism" means. That is why I posted Orwell's essay on "Politics and the English Language."
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                            • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                              Yes, I was agreeing with your point. I was saying there is no justification, it is just the typical label use that they always seem to resort to when they have nothing real to say. Facts are a foreign idea to them, they operate on emotions.
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                              • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago
                                I absolutely agree with you. If I sound defensive, it is because there are many who disagree with me, and I sometimes get a little paranoid!
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                                • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                                  Seer, if I disagree with you, I will be honest and upfront, but not confrontational. I like to discuss and calmly debate, but not argue. The arguing, name calling and belligerent behavior is for those who do not want to find and accept facts. They usually, but not always, inhabit the other side of the spectrum..
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              • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                CG, remember this is over time, for the last 8 weeks. "influence American politics using hacking" not true, it has been "influence American Election".

                http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/09/politic...


                http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/classi...

                http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/...

                Of course, if they did anything, they got into and DNC and cleaned their emails out. Why? Because Obama m has sh@t on Putin so much, I am surprised he hasn't dies of mysterious illness.

                And the statement: "He has slid slowly into "We want a do over" and just hasn't gotten there yet, but still has a few days to go." is an editorial assessment of all the events of the last 8 weeks or so.
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
                  This is all just fodder for people who get paid to try to fire up people's emotions. Russian interference in US politics does not affect the legitimacy of our president-elect. Our desire for a pristinely legitimate president-elect does not affect the reality who it appears like Russia did.
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                  • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                    CG, at some point you have to assume media has some intrinsic truth behind it, even though in todays world, it is increasingly hard to tell. It is exactly what 1989 was built on. "We will tell you what to think, when to think it, and what to say". If you look at the Obama narrative it is summed up as "we lost because of THEM" (in many respects (hacking, propaganda, slanted news etc)). You are correct, it did not impact the election at all, which is why, at this late date, it is just yet another way they are trying to change the narrative. If they were such humanitarians, why have the Dumbocraps blocked the law the Republicrats have introduced to have a mandatory 5 year sentence for illegals committing a crime? I have not dug into this, I just heard it on Fox, as one of the arguments for how disingenuous they really are, but if true, it is illustrative of their real agenda, which does not include anything for anyone but themselves and their precious world view..
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                    • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
                      This precious world-view stuff must stop. I have not heard President Obama attempting to craft a narrative blaming Russian hacking, but it's a moot point because he's only president for another week.

                      "mandatory 5 year sentence"
                      I'm against mandatory minimum sentencing, for liberalizing immigration and doubly for sentencing laws singling out undocumented people, all for reasons unrelated to this issue of elections; It's likely other Democrats are too.

                      "their precious world view"
                      It's gotten insane. I think it's just all these new "news" outlets. People knew the Enquirer was unreliable, but people now read stories even less reliable made up from whole cloth. That led to recent claims that there really aren't facts. There's just what we want to be true. If you don't like President-elect Trump, then Russian hacking hurts his legitimacy. People said Osama bin Laden wanted undermine McCain. I can want the gov't to investigate those things without it undermining the legitimacy of President Obama or President-elect Trump.

                      It really feels like half the society wants a "safe space" from facts they don't like. Maybe it's just the Internet. In the 90s I had a subscription to the WSJ. If someone wrote a letter to the editor that involved name-calling or claims that everything is a partisan ploy, they wouldn't print it. I think I should go back to that.

                      So you're right on the money with your first sentence that you have to find media that try to provide correct information.
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                      • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                        Well, it is probably a side effect of the Internet, as there is no way to rapidly vette a story, when new organizations used to have to protect their reputation. I do believe if an illegal commits a violent crime, or injures/kills someone, they should be deported, and the border should be such as to prevent re-entry, and cities like SF should be liable under law, which a Judge has already told the family they cannot do. You should be able to sue for damages anyone (gov't or person) causes, which SF did by ignoring the fact he was illegal and releasing him. So, they need to get control over them, or impose laws they cannot ignore. You are correct in the safe space desire, it is apparent in the way they pander to the element and promise everything in the world, with no intention of delivery, Bernie and Hillary both kept trying to out do each other with giveaways...that will continue until people toughen up and learn to live with reality.
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          • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago
            Did he say anything about "during" the election? Sounds like you're saying Ovomit said the election was fair before, and it was fair after, but he neglected to mention whether it was fair during. Get where I'm coming from?
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
              Oh yes, I see your point. It was just like the IRS thing where they "lost" the emails that were requested. It is always the careful wording aspect that means they are up to something..
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
                " careful wording aspect that means they are up to something"
                I see no sign whatsoever of such machinations. It's all nonsense aimed at people who operate at the name-calling level.
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                  I disagree, they have lied, cheated, and even lied to the Congress, just to cover up their actions. They do it with a straight face. They manipulate and obfuscate. Sorry, CG, I will NEVER trust another Dumbocrap to speak truth, again. Not that I trust Republicrats either, but you can trust and verify with them, for now. Obama's gang made the White House Plumbers look professional...
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 3 months ago
                    I didn't say I trust politicians. I'm saying I see no conspiracies surrounding the election. The votes were counted fairly. The gov't is accepting the results. Things are good in that department.

                    The name-calling is childish.

                    If the part at the end is an allusion to ever-increasing executive branch power, it's the thing I'm most concerned about.
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                    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
                      We agree on that, there was no conspiracy unless there was irregularities at the ballot box, of which I have not heard, like 4 years ago when the guy did the video in Ohio where his Rep vote changed to Dem, several times, and he gave up in disgust. And yes, Executive Branch power has been steadily increasing in the last 70 years, and needs to be heavily pruned back. EO should be found unconstitutional unless directly related to government operations, not policy.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
      That is funny, because this same arrogant liar ( I have now come to believe he may surpass Hillary) was pointed out to me that he was involved a couple years ago in funneling money to Israeli candidates and tried to rig THEIR election. I am going to post a separate thread. That should have been the Republicrats immediate response to the whole "Russia" thing : "What your beef Obama, you DID IT in Israel".
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 3 months ago
    The U.S. government has interfered in more than 80 elections in other countries, with propaganda, bribery, assassination, and inciting the overthrow of legitimate governments, so all this huffing and outrage is just a tad hypocritical. The Obama administration funded an effort to defeat Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel, and helped with the overthrow of the duly elected government in Ukraine. The latter had the goal of inducting Ukraine into NATO and denying Russia a Black Sea port.

    The CIA report (even the classified version) is ludicrous. They didn't investigate the DNC computers, but declared they'd been hacked by someone located in Russia. This led to the ridiculous claim that since Putin knows everything that happens in Russia, he must have directed the hack. In an attempt to reinforce the image of Russian interference, they pointed to anti-Hillary posts on the Russia Today English language YouTube channel, declaring it to be hostile propaganda. The fact that there are less than a half million subscribers to that channel, not all of whom are American voters, minimizing any influence didn't seem to get mentioned.

    Fortunately, most Americans regard all of the fuss about Russian attempts to influence the outcome of the election as much ado about nothing (credit to Bill Shakespeare there). Hopefully, all of this frantic grasping at somehow making the Trump victory disappear will end with his inauguration, but some left wing extremists will, I'm sure, continue to kick up a fuss.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 3 months ago
      Its obvious Obama put them up to this, and I hope that the leaders in the intelligence departments, who are just liberal hacks, get fired on jan 20. Same with the FBI dude, Comey. Why do we pay for such people to be in positions of power? Its crazy
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
        Exactly my point, they need to clean house VERY deeply. The entrenched "manipulate at all costs for the party" philosophy needs to go back to "we serve the people and the chips will fall where they may".
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
      Indeed Doc, it is the fact that they continue to lie, manipulate and maneuver that is the most irritating thing about the current Admin. I just hope Trump realizes every time they lie, they get caught eventually and it just devolves into messes like this...
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 3 months ago
        now I have lost trust in pretty much all of the establishment. I always look for the hidden agenda at this point.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
          That is just the way it is, too. I do not trust Republicrats, other than Trump does not seem to carry their agenda. Notice how he yanked their chain over the rule change they tried to pass before they even had a foot in the door?
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 3 months ago
    The reason Hilary lost is that she is crooked. The emails just showed that. If she wanted to win, she could be NOT crooked, and stop hiring idiots like Podesta and her Uma person. The media did far more distorting of the election than the Russians ever could, and she STILL lost.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 3 months ago
      There were a few of us who tried to remain objective and disregard the inflammatory rhetoric against, and the bloviated nauseating praise for Hillary Clinton. Just looking at the policies on her web site made it obvious why she avoided talking about them during the campaign. She was going to increase taxes on everyone at all levels of income; she was for open borders and increasing the arrival of refugees and asylum seekers; she was going to destroy the energy industry and crush small businesses with heavier burdens of regulations; she had no intention of fixing Obamacare. On the campaign trail, she threatened to use conventional weapons to punish the Russians for disclosing the DNC skulduggery. She chortled over how she was going to put a lot of coal miners out of work, and when confronted over that statement by miners, mumbled something about how they'd get job training.

      After reviewing all of that, the choice was obvious. Combined with her absolutely horrible failures as Secretary of State, there was no way in hell that I wanted her anywhere near the White House, whether she was crooked or not (which she decidedly is).
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 3 months ago
        I loved the part where she said she wouldnt add a penny to the national debt. Of course, the budget is 500 billion in the red right now, plus she wanted another trillion in NEW spending. That made NO sense to me at all. Didnt she learn addition and subtraction ?
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
        Doc, I just couldn't handle the arrogance and the "say whatever it takes" attitude. Never bothered to look at policies, because I just knew they would be good for her and her gang and bad for us.Her and Stalin could have run a good race for Times "Man of the Year".....
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago
    Thanks, nick, for finding this. I just have this to say:

    He wants public, I'll give him public!

    Did anyone see Assange's WikiLeaks Press Conference this morning? Assange is protecting sources, too. Spy vs. Spy?
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 3 months ago
      I like Assange. We need leakers and whistleblowers. The powerful people do bad things and then hide them. Time to drain the swamp and expose them. Free Assange and Snowden as well as Manning now that Obama is gone (for good hopefully)
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
      Well, at least Assange is sticking to what they started with. From the get go, Assange said they would not reveal their sources, so as to encourage others to provide things like this. The result has been his persecution by collaborative states. I find the Swedish thing weird because Sweden normally does not follow the herd...But Wikileaks at least seems to try to verify the veracity of their source, rather than just release anything they get. Unlike the Administration.
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      • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago
        Could the Obama admin and the DemoRats have put pressure on Sweden, say, financial pressure? Maybe even through the IMF? Gotta look up Sweden's economy.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
          I am thinking they applied some pressure of some kind. With them, it could be anything from money, to military to pictures of the Queen doing bad things with small rodents. You never know. The Swedes will not admit to it, because it would be so embarrassing.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago
    Nothing to report so let's get to your questions.
    Nick this was really something to see , it was like an opening act of a play. These creatures lend credence to the reptilian conspiracy (somewhat kidding ,somewhat because they are unhuman) they are EVIL. They act without a conscience.
    The insiders are freaking out because they will face treason charges when the proof of the corruption is revealed. I am afraid the coup is underway.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 3 months ago
      The need a lt more than a rigged news conference and vague accusations to try a coup. In fact, I am thinking they are to inept to actually pull one off. If they did try, it would inevitably fail, just because they can't do anything correct.
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