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Good Riddance, Mr. Obama, by Robert Gore

Posted by straightlinelogic 8 years, 6 months ago to Government
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Barack Obama was not the worst president in US history. That honor goes to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who was dead before most of us were born. Any education in history threatens to shed light on present conditions, so it’s been eliminated from curricula, replaced with pandering propaganda. Proper instruction would teach that FDR effected the sea change that transformed the US from a melting pot of mostly self-confident, self-reliant, marvelously competent individuals into a bankrupt welfare and warfare state, the majority of whose citizens are jumpy at their own shadows, afraid of their fellow citizens, and terrified of their politicians. Mr. Obama has merely been mop-up relief for the welfare-warfare team’s starter, FDR.

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  • Posted by rbroberg 8 years, 6 months ago
    "Yes, we can" and "No, I won't". Let's hope Trump proves to say the latter (to altruism).
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Contribution.
    America is not solely responsible. America did not have colonies in Africa. THAT problem was inherited. Unfortunately, the solutions we tried exacerbated the problem. Your article on the Deep State addressed some of the reasons for America's actions over the last 7 decades.
    The Cold War was also a contributing factor to those 'solutions.'
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I won't refight the war with you, only this: Stalin had asked the other allies to open up another front--a western front--long before they ever did. There is no argument the feisty, strong-willed Russian people took the brunt of the damages in that war, but if you think Stalin and the Russian steamroller could have kept Great Britain, at the least, from being engulfed by Hitler without the help of the US, you are wrong. Most of my history I read from primary source documents. I don't always agree with other historians, including Tim Snyder.

    Even Putin has thanked the US for entering the war, so as to help defeat Hitler.

    I don't think you are really aware of the carnage wrought in Russia due to the Siege of Leningrad, and Operation Barbarossa, and the Battle for Kursk.

    Robert, I don't disagree with you on the American founders policies of isolationism, and even the Monroe Doctrine. The founders did not want those warring European states to export their wars to America. However, time marches on, and it is a different world, and a different America. Americans no longer have the luxury of forgetting that the rest of the world exists. Take the Islamic State of Nowhere, for instance. (I call them that, so they can believe how unimportant they are to the me.)
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Here's a statement with which I and most Russians would agree, and most Americans would disagree: the USSR won World War II. The war was decided when Hitler opened a second front against the advice of most of his generals (they knew their history). The Soviet civilian and military casualties were staggering, but so were the German's. Their Eastern Front casualties dwarfed what they sustained on their Western front, and they were through after Stalingrad. Everything after that, notwithstanding the ferocity of many battles on both fronts, was mopping up. That's not to denigrate what the US and English did after Normandy, but it was the Soviet Union that inflicted the decisive losses, at terrible cost to itself (between 25-30 million civilian and military deaths to the US's 400,000).

    It is undoubtedly true that US entry into the war relieved some pressure on the Soviet Union and made it easier for the Soviets to eventually defeat Germany. However, by Normandy, the tide had decisively turned (Stalingrad was over February 1943), and I think it is more chauvinistically American, even superficial, to argue that it was the US entry into the war that was decisive. Had Hitler and Stalin been left to kill each other off, perhaps Stalin would have been too weak to swallow the Baltic nations and Eastern Europe. That, of course, is conjecture.

    As for my preferred foreign policy, it is the same one favored by George Washington and John Quincy Adams, but that's another debate. "Isolatinism" is just a smear for a policy that endorses trade and peaceful intercourse with other willing nations, but eschews alliances and foreign political and military entanglements. It has worked quite well for Switzerland.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry, I did see some of your responses. But I still think either CircuitGuy has failed to properly assess Ovomit, his personality and legacy, or CG really isn't an Objectivist. He's got me going.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You seem isolationist, at best. I thought you felt that America shouldn't even have fought in World War II.

    And you said something to the effect that Hitler and Stalin should have been left to kill each other off. To me, that shows a superficial attitude to the real events of the advance and engagement of World War II.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The conquests that the Roman Republic made guaranteed its unwieldiness for governing same..
    Cicero certainly did his best to attempt to circumvent Caesar's rise to power (Caesar was popular with the people---the conquering general), but Cicero was also combating Cataline, who was manipulating the masses. Caesar was also, promising grain and debt forgiveness.
    Just a few clues. The American founders studied history, and were certainly aware of how easily republicanism can change to autocracy.
    It started as a triumvirate, you know.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then Admin must have deleted it. I don't think CircuitGuy wrote it. Did you read the deleted post?
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He may have known it was coming. I know Japanese assets had been frozen and that Japanese ambassadors were actually in talks in D.C. at the time of Pearl Harbor.
    And of course Americans didn't want to get involved in another European war. But Churchill knew without the "might and strength" of the United States, all of Europe would fall to Hitler. I won't get into the role of Stalin and the brave people of Russia, nor even how Stalin knew Hitler meant what he said in "Mein Kampf."

    You are showing a typical American attitude towards events happening in the rest of the world. You should get over that.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I did not delete CircuitGuy's post. I never delete posts on my posts or even down vote. Let people say what they will, and if people don't like it, let them put in their two cents.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I find the evidence that Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor was coming persuasive, the evidence that he did his best to provoke it slightly less so. He was working hard behind the scenes to get the US involved in the war, even as he assured voters that we would stay out. Without Pearl Harbor, he would have had a tough time convincing the public to support American entry. Germany had already invaded the USSR and Americans logically asked why the US had to intervene on either side when it was clear that the toll on both sides would be huge, and by intervening the US would be supporting either Hitler or Stalin.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How can CircuitGuy profess admiration for Ovomit and still consider himself a Gulcher? That appears contradictory, and truth is never contradictory.

    I don't think that post you deleted was actually posted by CircuitGuy, was it?
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 6 months ago
    Good article, Robert. But I disagree with you about America's entry into World War II. It was necessary. That conspiracy that Roosevelt created Pearl Harbor I find not credible.
    Obama caused the instability across North Africa and the Levant; he didn't just stick his nose into them.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know about "suggest", but the evidence shows he's absolutely right. There was no widespread election fraud. President-elect Trump won the Electoral College fair and square. Secretary Clinton won the popular vote, which does not matter, fair and square. President Obama was correct. The election was fair.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CircuitGuy here is a quote from your "good president" Oct.18,2016. "There is no serious person out there who would suggest some how that you could even rig America's election, in part
    because they're so decentralized and the numbers involved" Obama. If you like this POS you are a fool.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
    "Obama needs to stop worrying about hacking, and start packing" Nice comment on a YT video, and about sums it up. Hit the road Jack! Buuurrrpp...
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think literature and story-telling media trick people into putting themselves into other people's shoes and that reduces the tendency to initiate force against others. We see a decrease in violence with the printing press and even constantly decreasing over the past 100 years if you consider WWII to be an anomaly. I would like to ask President Obama if he thinks the deficit is a recent decrease in empathy or if he is just saying the increase in empathy has been a good thing and he thinks we need more.

    Narcissistic fraud is an empty epithet not related to Ayn Rand or President Obama, but you by chance hit upon one of my biggest disappointments with Obama: He campaigned on hope but often talks about fear. I was optimistic that investors would worth through the financial crisis on our own. He promoted fear, not hope, to sell people on expanding President Bush's policies of gov't bailout and stimulus. In the quote you cite, he's talking about the empathy deficit rather than on how empathy has been an amazing part of the civilizing process. Cruel treatment of criminals and animals are looked down upon. Solving your disputes with guns is seen as low-class, not something for top leaders like Burr and Hamilton. I don't see the deficit. I see huge progress, and I have hope that an even better world is possible.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If it was true that you are interested in Ayn Rands ideas, she tried to warn against the narcissistic fraud you claim as a good president. Here is your Altruistic socialist president speaking.

    "The biggest deficit that we have in our society and in the world right now is an empathy deficit. We are in great need of people being able to stand in somebody else's shoes and see the world through their eyes."

    Barack Obama
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  • Posted by JuliBMe 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    LOL, that is very true. I think it was actually only 10% of the population that participated in the Revolution. The left has this down to an art because, none of us seem to remember what a minority they actually are.

    I do agree with you. However, I actually would like to see what Trump does. I'm willing to wait and see if he's going to pull off "drain the swamp". And, I would like to give him his chance since he worked VERY hard to become president.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Besides what the Divider-In-Chief has to say, I'm sick and tired of his clipped way of talking too.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Everything that you said would make Trump a good president is the opposite of what Obama did"
    I don't agree with that assessment at all. I think he did a good job at managing the status quo. He hasn't fixed the structural problem of gov't. I don't know if it's possible for a president to do because part of the problem is executive over-reach.
    "As for whether [President-elect Trump] is a clown and a showman, I'll judge the man by his results."
    Yes. I am sure he's a showman of sorts, but it remains to be seen whether he will use to expand gov't power or protect citizens' rights. It could go either way. It will probably be a mixed-bag.

    I do not know what the markets don't reflect this uncertainty. Maybe market participants don't think the POTUS has much impact on business, or maybe they're all looking at their own fantasies they project on him. For many reasons, I predict VIX will eventually reflect the uncertainty I perceive.

    Getting back to the topic of judging by results, I agree completely, and I have a low bar. If a president can just manage the modern reality of a huge federal gov't with an empire-like military presence around the world, I will be satisfied. So if real per capita spending stay flat AND the deficit decreases while real per-capita GDP grow, I'll consider that success. Since President-elect Trump is talking about massive borrowing, similar to President Obama, my notion of a 10% cut in real spending over two years is pure fantasy.
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