Cuomo Proposes Free Tuition at New York State Colleges for Eligible Students

Posted by rbroberg 5 years ago to Politics
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Eligible? As determined per your tax returns. The simple rule is... the more you pay, the less you get.
SOURCE URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/nyregion/free-tuition-new-york-colleges-plan.html?_r=0


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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 5 years ago
    I can only imagine the riff-raff that will be clogging up the universities when this goes in to effect. When something is free, it has no value.

    Even more interesting....the less prepared you are [Lets face it if you are poor, probably no one in your family has been to college so you will get no worthwhile support of encouragement] the more money you get, and the more qualified you are the more obstacles are placed in your way. I cannot think of a better means of creating chaos in education.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 5 years ago
    my son in college asked me where i stood on free college tuition...i asked him why he did not go looking for a job from his "free" high school education...he got it...same thing will happen with a college degree once it is "free"....
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  • Posted by freedomforall 5 years ago
    NY state will have the most expensive rates for college in the US by the time this is implememented for anyone whose parents have proven successful. NY will be investing in those less likely to succeed by funding those who likely have an inferior upbringing, inferior understanding of the value of capitalism, inferior work ethic, and inferior genetic background. This is typical socialist funding guaranteed failure.
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    • Posted by 5 years ago
      You had me until... Inferior genetic background?
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      • Posted by freedomforall 5 years ago
        Complete speculation on my part without objective evidence. Genetic background is too broad a term, too.
        Is there any correlation between financial success and college education? Is there any correlation between financial success and measured intelligence? To what extent do genetic factors significantly affect measured intelligence ? Is there any correlation between financial success and whether students work to pay for their education?
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        • Posted by jimjamesjames 5 years ago
          I have a BA in Economics, Masters in Education, Doctorate in Education (taking 25 years to accumulate those degrees with NO student loans except $5000 with which I bought 600 oz of silver -- which I still have) and when I meet with my high school buddies each year, all college drop outs, they are the millionaires.
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    • Posted by blackswan 5 years ago
      Genetics has nothing to do with anything. I've taught math in high school for 5 years, and I've seen IEP students (those with learning disabilities) outperform "normal" students. I've also seen students who were the first in their families (like my siblings and me) excel, not only in ELHI, but in university. All that was necessary was effort.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 5 years ago
        Are you better at some things than other people? Are you worse than other people at other things? Why did you decide to teach math instead of teaching literature, for example? Is it likely that a 7 foot tall person have a genetic advantage over a 5'6" person in some sports, while the shorter person will have a big advantage in other sports? It's obvious that genetics is a factor regardless of being politically incorrect.
        I agree with you completely that effort can often be the most important factor, too.
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    • Posted by Zero 5 years ago
      "inferior genetic background".
      I knew it.
      I f'ing knew it.

      If this were my board I'd ban you on the spot.
      Instead you are one of the most prolific posters and commentators on this site.

      This has got to stop.
      This forum is a VERY VISIBLE FACE of OBJECTIVISM.

      You, sir, do NOT belong here.
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  • Posted by peterchunt 5 years ago
    Typical leftist propaganda. Nothing is free so it is the taxpayers who suffer. Right now we need more people who have semi-technical skills like welders, plumbers, etc. This “freebie” will ensure we have even less of these people. The Universities will welcome all comers as they can make a whole lot of money out of this fiasco. Meanwhile we will have to import Chinese to do these jobs.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 5 years ago
    Why not? None of this candy mountain at the end of some rainbow free money will come out of Cuomo's pocket.
    Oh, that's save for what he libtard "contributes" by paying taxes.
    Just ask Bill Clinton about how he spoke of We The People paying such "patriotic contributions" when he was president.
    Me dino recalls Slick Willie inspiring some teenager to contribute $1,000 to the government.
    Me also have a memory of seeing on TV Bill and Hillary smiling side by side when the kid's contribution was announced.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 5 years ago
    I'm a little confused on my math...

    In one of these stories, it is stated that this program will affect around 1 million students. The same story claims that the program would cost about $168 million per year.

    Now, my calculations come out to around $200 per student, per year...maybe enough to purchase a couple study books, but a year's tuition???

    Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 5 years ago
    Cost goes away, perceived value plummets, people not really seeking to learn enter, employers begin to realize graduates are not as good...
    Maybe 10-15 years of fooling people and stealing our money, and NY State colleges become a joke.

    Other than us not liking the public cost, I can't believe we don't hear more argument for purely academic merit based eligibility.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 5 years ago
      What you describe started in about 1970 and has become "progressively" worse ever since. Fortunes are wasted on many who under-perform while the politically incorrect minority who excel must endure endless socialist propaganda and crippled education.
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  • Posted by 5 years ago
    New York has a mediocre public school system:

    https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with...

    Perhaps better policies regarding incentives and rewards for success in teaching as measured by student achievement would help more than expanding on a mediocre program. New educational facilities and better education at the K thru 12 level would constitute improvement and increased demand would result. Expansion will result in new financial liabilities and lack of productivity incentives. Thus will strangle the public university system even further.
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  • Posted by GaryL 5 years ago
    Not necessarily a bad idea if only they would do it right which they won't.
    Offer each eligible student a school loan with strict rules. Maintain a passing grade average. At the end of 2 or 4 years when you graduate you must remain employed in NY for as long as you were in school, 2 or 4 years. The loan will then be erased or paid in full. Those who flunked out or quit will be on the hook for full repayment of the loan.
    Liberals are the most charitable people I know as long as they are spending other peoples money!
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