Grammar and spelling

Posted by minesayn 7 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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While I do not always write grammatically correct and have the occasional spelling error or typo, it still bothers me to see it in articles and posts. The question is this: does it bother others, and if so, does it lower your opinion of the author and the subject at hand?


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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And then I got somewhat carried away...

    Had to add that I likened this story to "The Russkies stole outdated malware from the Ukes in order to penetrate the electric grid in Vermont."

    And I still wasn't through. Quoted Mark Twain:
    "...the Syrian camel choked on the gentlest fact I ever laid before a trusting public."
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm getting silly. And if you want to know why, I just saw this story "The FBI Just Released a Comprehensive List of the Outlandish Secret Code Names Used by Russian Hackers" on msn news. With as straight a face as I could muster, I commented:

    "Yep, Putin released these silly code names just so he (and the rest of the world) could watch the American Liberal Chicken Littles get their panties all in a wad! Am I right?"
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But if it is wend, I believe wended is the past tense. Or maybe it is wound. Wound around.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't you mean "Mend your ways?" A "W" is just an upside "M"!
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I get it. My sister, whose degree is in Technical Writing, would insist on using "...to Ed and myself."
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I started reading Wolfe years ago, I think it was "You Can't Go Home Again.' It's where I first heard the word "inchoate"...haven't been able to use it yet in a meaningful conversation, though.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think it is due to overcorrection. I think it comes
    from a mistaken notion that Objective case is al-
    ways bad, and Nominative is always good, from
    years of being corrected for using the objective
    pronouns where they don't properly go; the person has gotten the notion that the pronoun
    should always be used in the nominative case.
    (So maybe parents and teachers were not to
    blame for correcting him for saying "me and so-
    and-so" as the subject of the sentence; but the
    person has gotten the mistaken notion that
    nominative is always correct. So maybe I should
    not have said "overcorrection" so much as the
    person mistakenly applying the rule. Or "over-
    correcting" himself).
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And Sartre, said to write, but not overwrite. The reader should finish the task. However, Wolfe seemed to know that not all adjectives are created equal, and to use the right one, conveyed the right picture. Too many authors just throw out words, whatever is easy. I remember the class where "Look Homeward Angel" was the subject, many in the class hated his wordiness, they were used to easy words, many did not even know some words he used. Like many do not go for "AS", as it too is quite literate and, as with Wolfe, quite long. No mater how mnany words an author uses, interpreting between the lines is a given, but precise language does not stop us from completing the task as reader. Laziness is more of a danger, by both writers and readers.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What did you mean by "...error coming from overcorrection"? That example seems a pretty straight forward error to me, not one due to overcorrection.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And yet, Stormi, each person reading Wolfe or any other author would have a different emotional response to those words?

    Wasn't it Thomas Wolfe who set out to write the most words of any author in history?
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What irritates me is error coming from overcor-
    rection. For instance, the use of the nominative
    where the objective should be used, as in, "You
    have to listen to Ed and I." I don't so much mind
    honestly ignorant bad grammar, as in "Ain't got none." But ignorance masquerading as erudition is irritating.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 4 months ago
    Well, perhaps I occasionally put through a typo. I
    get in a hurry, am allowed only a limited time on
    these library computers. As to grammar, I do
    occasionally split an infinitive, for the purpose of
    clarity. (And use "ain't" for emphasis, as in "Ain't
    it the truth!")
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 4 months ago
    Ask any linguistics expert or language historian and they will tell you that human beings are as lazy in their speech and writing as they are in real life. Language only grows simpler - both in form and pronunciation - over time. If you want a very simple example, I appreciate the efforts of those who seek to elevate language by using appropriate and precise terminology and by taking the time to understand and use proper grammar and punctuation because I recognize the effort that goes into such.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sometimes, Seer, it is the difference between British English and American English, too.
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  • Posted by blackswan 7 years, 4 months ago
    If I see an occasional typo, I note it, but I don't make much of it. If I see consistent typos, not only am I annoyed, but my opinion of the writer falls quite a bit.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I sometimes come across writings from a 100 years or so ago, that say things like: Government are...I think that particular grammatical construction has changed over the last century or two.
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  • Posted by cjferraris 7 years, 4 months ago
    I personally think that a big portion of this is backlash due to the bastardization of our language. With the advent of Twitter, Facebook, and other social media, we have abbreviated our written speech greatly. Combine that with the convenience of texting abbreviations, we have done much of this to ourselves. The laziness of the average person had made "proper" English, an aging dinosaur, along with cursive writing..
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 7 years, 4 months ago
    Had a professor, Dr. Marty Blinn (could have been a standup comic), in an econ class (circa 1971) explain to the resident Marxist student that if he couldn't properly express what he thought, it was because he didn't KNOW what he thought.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good points.
    So it could be "A parliament of owls is going to vote..."
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