Grammar and spelling

Posted by minesayn 7 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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While I do not always write grammatically correct and have the occasional spelling error or typo, it still bothers me to see it in articles and posts. The question is this: does it bother others, and if so, does it lower your opinion of the author and the subject at hand?


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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct. Thank you.

    Do you know if there are other published versions of Noah Webster's work? They sound fascinating.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As noted, Noah Webster. Daniel was a Congressman, Senator, and Secretary of State. He was most famous in his own time as a lawyer. He argued the Dartmouth College v. Woodward case (landmark) before the US Supreme Court.

    Daniel Webster was a strong state's rights advocate. He sought an interpretation of the Constitution that would allow nullification. Failing that, however, he refused to condone the Hartford Convention which argued for the secession of New England from the United States over the War of 1812. The Webster-Ashburton Treaty set the current border with Canada. (We had wanted it to be the St. Lawrence River.) That laid the ground for the State of Maine to be created from the northern part of Massachusetts.

    I have a facsimile edition of the Noah Webster dictionary. I bought it from a Christian firm with e-gold that earned writing content for a libertarian website. I have relied on it when discussing the "true meaning" of the Constitution, Declaration, and other documents. I realize that a full lifetime separates the Dictionary from those, but it is closer than any modern dictionary. I also like his etymologies.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There wasn't any humor, and I am aware that Paine wrote Common Sense. I was referring to the fact that Webster's Dictionary wasn't available back then and yet the people of that time had extensive vocabularies and elocution such that few in our day can even understand them any longer. Common Sense was very popular at the time of its writing and preceded the Constitution where Webster's Dictionary wouldn't even be published until nearly 50 years after the ratification of the Constitution.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Waiting on cashier."
    This is the South. It would say waiting for in the Midwest, but we never see it b/c the cashier would be moving fast. You'd hear him say the word "you-wanna-beg-for-that?" and then he'd be on to the next customer. Just say "thanks", and he'll say, "Ye-becha."

    It's a joke, but there's some truth to things moving much slower in the South. I don't just belittle it. I actually admire their patience.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "common error: "whenever" in place of "when."
    This is only heard in the South. I never hear it in the Midwest. Our favorite error is ending sentences with prepositions: "You're coming with? Okay, where's your coat at?" From Germanic roots we confuse yet/still, lend/borrow, and like/as.

    The things that stand out from my time in Florida are whenever/when, anymore/now, double modal verbs (e.g. I might could...), and fixing to / immediately going to. That last one is actually useful. Fixing to is sooner than going to.

    We all agree in the US, though, on the need for less, okay, fewer grammatical mistakes.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 4 months ago
    Today, I swiped my card at a cash register. After agreeing to pay, I saw on the screen
    Waiting on cashier.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not understand the humor. Thomas Paine, not Daniel Webster, wrote Common Sense. (Daniel Webster had an illustrious career, and is highly regarded by today's conservatives.)
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought it was funny!
    Wend your way, or mend your ways...
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was kidding!! I know what wend means 'cause I listened to a lot of early Joan Baez, in my younger days!
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It may be considered archaic, but it is still in use. Or maybe it is just me; I still use it. As in Wend your way through the crowd at the mall.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks. Did you ever read the book about grammar, Woe Is I? I think it is by Patricia O'
    Connor. She deals with such nonsense as the
    horror of split infinitives.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, I do not mean "mend". "Wend" is an archaic
    word meaning "go". Just to make sure, I looked
    it up in The American Heritage Dictionary. (And,
    although I do not remember that the Dictionary
    listed it as "archaic", it is pretty obvious.)
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I will certainly agree that technological advancement is driven primarily by the desire to enable ourselves to be lazy! We only gain leisure time (ironically) through hard work.

    In language, what we gain through proper grammar and a larger vocabulary is precision and efficiency in language, I agree. I was reading Common Sense and it dismays me that we have lost so much of the clear and precise language of our Founding Fathers. I dare say that the majority of the grade school-educated of that time could run circles around the vast majority of college-educated in our day - even though Daniel Webster's work wouldn't become popular for several decades!
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I saw that error in a Naval Institute headline, put a pair of red lips on it, and posted it to the Spirit Board at work.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In notice the same thing. I believe that it is "muscle memory" acting ahead of conscious thought.

    I have just about given up not typing "goto" for "go to" because it is so deeply engrained:
    ON SWITCH(1) GOTO ROUTINE(1)
    IF KOUNT = 0 GOTO TO END
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the reminder errors can be honest mistakes. I recently came to understand that the rule against split infinitives is improper to English. It comes from Latin grammar, wherein splitting an infinitive is impossible. The rule is the result of trying to force English to follow the rules of Latin. Feel free to happily split your infinitives.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And yet ease of life is one of the attributes of civilization. So-called "primitive" languages, such as those of the Native Americans, tend to have more complicated grammars. Even our Russian cousins have some ancient hold-overs, such as two different plurals: dual (just two) and plural (more than two). Hungarian and Finnish have over a dozen cases, from the usual six through adessive, inessive, progressive... English has three: nominative, objective, possessive.

    But we have a rich vocabulary, perhaps the largest on the planet.

    It might be argued that in order to achieve a truly free society, we need to re-instantiate a more complex grammar, such as that of Ancient Greek with not just one, but two aorist cases. After all, politics rests on ethics, and ethics depends on epistemology. Improve the thinking, and we improve the behaviors.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As much as I agree with the intent, I must point out that the same argument could have been made by Shakespeare, Chaucer, or the anonymous bards who sang Beowulf. Languages change. The word nest is a contraction for "nether-sitten" because a nest sits down upon the branches. The root for "nurse" is "daughter-in-law" in Proto-Indo-European, which you could argue is a misuse of the word when applied to medical care. I can give very many similar examples, OK?
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 4 months ago
    Yesterday, I heard another example of a common error: "whenever" in place of "when." This is not new. My brother pointed out to me a generation or two ago that a friend of ours made that mistake all the time, seldom saying "when" and too often saying "whenever."
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And I was going to mention the thoroughbrace comeback, but decided to let it go.
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