GOP congressman: Russia did ‘what the media should have done’ by leaking emails

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago to Government
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I agree. Whether it was Wiki Leaks, Vlad the Impaler, disgruntled Republicans, doesn't matter. His statement of "it's what the media should have found out" is true, except the vast bulk of the media is clearly skewing everything the Democratic/Progressive way. I have seen probably 100 stories this year of our rights violated, clear cases of DOJ bias and manipulation, the IRS basically flipping off Congress, the EPA conducting it's own brand of eco warfare on citizens, and yet never do you see any investigation, or responsibility taken by them. The media ignores it all and focuses on people trying to get through all the lies, obfuscation and outright coverups, as " on a witch hunt" or "partisan politics". If it takes Vlads boys to do what our media won't, too bad, get over it.


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  • Posted by ProfChuck 9 years, 2 months ago
    The Dems are trying to use the "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" argument to discredit the hacked or leaked emails. That may work in a court of law but in the court of public opinion it doesn't count for much. Facts are facts and it doesn't matter where they come from.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 2 months ago
    IF the Russians revealed the leaked/hacked truth, only the truth and nothin' but the truth about the evil hag and her flying monkeys, they did USA voters a service even if Bloody Vladimir thought it was in his own best interests.
    Nevertheless, Julian Assange says the Russians did not do it. So who y'all wanna trust? Wikileaks or top government officials all beneath the Liar-In-Chief's thumb?
    Hello, we're sssss from the government sssss and we are here sssss to help you.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2...
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
    One measure of the effectiveness of a national leader is their popularity among the people they serve. By that measure, Putin is very effective, since he's one of the most popular national figures in the world. Russians admire strong leadership, and Putin has definitely projected a strong image that has helped the Russian people feel pride again.

    I think the mistake that Senators McCain and Graham (and many others) are making is to equate today's Russia with the the old USSR. I feel that Putin would like the respect as a world power the USSR had, but without the internal misery. To me, it looks more like he's trying to recreate the old imperial Russia, including encouraging Orthodox Christianity. Of course, when I think that I have to remember Putin joked (?) about wanting Alaska back.

    As for the DNC email disclosures, I'm convinced that they originated from a DNC staffer, most likely the young man who was assassinated on the streets of DC. Anyone could have hacked that idiot Podesta, who fell for a phishing scam. No matter, justice was served.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago
    I like whistleblowers and "leakers" who tell me what the BAD people want to keep hidden from us. There should be an annual rating of the best whistleblowing of the year. Snowden, Manning, Assange, and whoever else leaked stuff (including the russians) would be nominated. Of course, this is politically incorrect and wont happen currently. Maybe I should set it up myself....
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  • Posted by Seer 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just not interested in you opinions. You forget that whereas you have opinions, I have knowledge. End of problem.
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  • Posted by Seer 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just not interested in the articles, nick.

    Mainly because you CHOSE to say that "Vlad is not a stellar example...and so on." If you want me to carry on a discussion with you, then drop the bias. End of story.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe you see Vladimir a wee bit differently than I do. As head of the KGB during the fall, he had access to all their secrets both inside and out, and a cadre of loyal followers. Do not believe that he is a really nice guy. He is a manipulator and a power broker. But he is an honest power broker, and just bears watching. He also will back down if he thinks you will not tolerate his actions, hence the situation in Ukraine. However, I will look at your link when I have some time, I am open to new information, as most media is always slanted by someone for some reason.
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  • Posted by Seer 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You seem to think the move from state-owned property to private property can be done with the wave of a magic wand.
    Your statement:
    '...implemented the destruction of most of them (who would not comply or pledge allegiance to his new control) and their wealth always was "confiscated" for their "crimes" '
    in the very able words of Wikipedia, "needs citations."
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  • Posted by Seer 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You have a superficial outlook of the events that occurred in the Soviet Union and the later Russian Federation. I get so tired of posting this:

    Have you ever heard of the economist Jeffrey Sachs? His belief that the privatization and capitalization of property in the former USSR needed to happen as quickly as possible, was the main reason for the emergence of the oligarchs. Have you ever heard of "loans for shares"? Perhaps you should educate yourself.
    The newly formed Russian Federation did not have the proper legal framework in place for the protection of property that would inhibit what I call the "excesses of errant capitalism"---the market doesn't always prevent that, you know. (But then you probably don't know).
    I could explain further, and maybe I will at a later date, but if it had not been for Vladimir Putin and others like him the Russian Federation would have sank back into Communism.
    The involvement of the Russian government as shareholders in (especially) the energy industries is a check on possible infringement of the rights of other property holders. The US has, and had, a different approach. The Russians are learning.

    You might be interested in this (The Rape of Russia):
    http://thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Ot...

    Because of Vladimir Putin, there has been tax reform that has resulted in Russia having one of the lowest rates on corporate profits of any country in the world. And Russia's economy came out of a steep decline---the IMF failed to make loans to Yeltsin's government, which I told him was a good thing all-in-all. Russia is nearly debt free, unlike the Ukraine.
    Do you want to see the Russian Federation become Communist again? Believe me, there is a thriving Communist party in Russia, headed by Comrade Zyuganov, former Minister of Propaganda in the Soviet Union.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Gazprom was built over the last 10-15 years as Vlad has switched between Prime Minister and President, and a whole series of "corruption" cases of the previous heirarchy of companies resulted in the Oliagarchs (as the Russian called them) who evolved from the collapse of the Soviets, wer slowly taken out one by one and all their companies confiscated and folded into Gazprom.:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...

    Putin is incredibly rich but does not flaunt it:
    https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com...

    http://www.cfr.org/world/putin-oligar...
    (remember the CFR is considered by some to be a haven for the left, and is also reputed to be part of the NWO).

    http://nationalvanguard.org/2012/05/t...

    Now that was just a quick search, and, as the last great head of the KGB, Vlad oversaw the collapse of the Soviet Union and it's drift into the oligarch empire, and then implemented the destruction of most of them (who would not comply or pledge allegiance to his new control) and their wealth always was "confiscated" for their "crimes".

    So, yea, I would still say "Vlad is not a stellar example of honest governance", but Obama was worse.....
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  • Posted by Seer 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your remark: "[Putin} is not a stellar example of honest governance..." is based on what information?
    In fact, every statement in your comment lacks substantiation.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Also Vladimir Putin is obviously and old school Russian spy, who is not a stellar example of honest governence, if you look back at some of the things Russia has done in the last few years (like eat every company and make them into government companies essentially returning to Communist Russia), but they should be working at that set of facts and not just using him as a convenient excuse, then publicly trying to piss him off.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey, it's the name...and the CIA and FBI will "create" a cast of characters, and lining him up with that name is one of the things they are trying, amogst hundreds of others. I am in the camp that CIA and FBI have both been compromised to the point they need a massive cleaning. Both of them should be political neutral, with the country as their only master. Since all the heads of departments have oaths of fidelity, and were so obviously compromised, nothing they say is believable. Vlad the Impaler is one of their veiled insults used....goes back to Dracula...
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  • Posted by Seer 9 years, 2 months ago
    Vlad the Impaler? I take exception to that.
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  • Posted by Seer 9 years, 2 months ago
    I do have one, I guess, important question: what, exactly, was it that the media found out?
    But as far as I'm concerned, it is similar to the fall of Nixon; it wasn't the fact that he tried to infiltrate the Democrats to get knowledge of their strategies, it was that he lied, and tried to "cover it up" that led to his fall and ultimate resignation. Americans still believed, at that time, whole-heartedly in the fact that "no man is above the law". Nixon later said, in an interview with David Frost, that he believed nothing the president does is illegal. The beginning of the end for American democracy.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Gibbs' rule 39
    There is no such thing as coincidence.
    Today agents with integrity only exist in fiction.
    In the Dark Center, loyalty is prized and initegrity expunged.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed, true. The real concern is now it is blantant, open, and basically "we can outlie you". The Russian claim is a mystery "CIA and FBI say" thing, no facts, no evidence. They then bring up Benghazi and how the republicans hounded The Beast, or the IRS thing, or the Justice Dept, and in each case you find: Deleted emails, "bad hardrives", "server crashes" etc until someone actually goes digging and finds out there are backups etc they didn't know about. Yet no one ever gets any further than a hearing festival with them lying and someone like Trey Gowdy politely calling them liars. Yet the peasants keep voting for them, or else they just rig them, or something. I can't believe we have a majority of complete idiots in the country (well, except for Kalifornia).
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago
    The federal government has been out of control of the people at least since 1860 and we, the people, have been losing our rights gradually. Where is our Thomas Paine? Our Ben Franklin? Our Thomas Jefferson?They won't be found in either major political party because they all had at least one thing in common that can't be found in political "leaders" today: ethics.
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