Birth of a Nation - The CalExit Referendum

Posted by freedomforall 6 months ago to Politics
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Some Californians want Hitlery to rule them so badly they are proposing secession.
Let them go, and let them take the northeast corridor with them. All hail Empress Hitlery!
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  • Posted by  $  DrZarkov99 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    The reasoning of the SCOTUS regarding the issue of secession: the Constitution requires the agreement of the states (note, plural) before any member of the union may depart. California can vote to leave, but they need to convince 25 other states to agree with them. It didn't work for the Confederacy, and it won't work for California.

    Restoring states' rights as intended by the 10th amendment should give California as much freedom to hang itself as needed, without the turmoil of secession. They're driving people and businesses out at a record rate as is (140,000 more legal residents left last year than arrived). San Francisco is a pig sty, and Los Angeles is becoming property of the drug cartels, so I hope the idiots enjoy their fate.
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    • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 5 months, 2 weeks ago
      I'm not well-read concerning exactly how the Civil War began, but I don't recall the South going through the effort to leave the Union peacefully. The "hotheads" in the South essentially started a shooting war by firing on Fort Sumpter.
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      • Posted by  $  DrZarkov99 5 months, 2 weeks ago
        Actually, the Southern states did follow an orderly process to leave the Union. However, since the U.S. refused to recognize their individual sovereignty, they didn't abandon several military facilities, Fort Sumter being one of them. South Carolina forces didn't fire on Fort Sumter until the Fort fired warning shots at foreign freighters, essentially blocking trade. Lots of mistakes on both sides. Lincoln's predecessor, Buchanan, botched the opportunity to end slavery by compensating plantation owners for the loss of their slave "property," claiming the price was too costly. The buyout of the slave owners would have been about 3% of the cost of the war that followed.
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    • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 5 months, 2 weeks ago
      Indeed - it sounds like the last few pages of Atlas Shrugged - except I don't know from where "the best and the brightest" are going to come back from the Gulch and rebuild civilization (or is that Trump?) I guess only time will tell...
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  • Posted by  $  WilliamShipley 6 months ago
    No, just California. The rest us need a Pacific Seaport.
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    • Posted by 6 months ago
      After Trump frees the slaves from repression in CA the feds will be able to use LA, SD, and SF again (with no votes or freedom for the losers for 80 years or so.) The feds will never allow anyone to escape from the statist version of slavery.
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      • Posted by term2 6 months ago
        I agree the feds would never let California go free of their control. Looking at the formation of the country, there was a major land grab going on with the feds taking over all the land from atlantic to pacific ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
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    • Posted by mminnick 6 months ago
      I believe that North East Corridor refers to New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts with possibly New Jersey and Maryland included. Oregon and Washington remain with thenunion and provide the Pacific sea ports.
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  • Posted by mminnick 6 months ago
    if California did vote to leave the Union and congress agreed to this action and the President signed the necessary legislation (all huge assumptions) how long until the Hispanic population of California portioned the government of Mexico to Annex them into Mexico? I'm guessing about 3 to 5 years dependent upon the influx of Mexican citizens into the Republic of California.
    At that point what is the most likely scenario?
    1. The US allows such an Action,
    2. The Rep of CA allows it's citizens to actually patition such an action,
    3. Some other country gets involved
    4. Other actions
    5. No such petition will be generated.

    What do you people of the Gulch think would happen?
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 5 months, 4 weeks ago
      Hi mminnick,
      Thanks Freedomforall for your post . Consider the Mexican Americam War , the treaty signed gave California to the USA. If Calexit occurs the treaty is null and void. Then the golden bear becomes the golden eagle with a snake in its talons.
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    • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 6 months ago
      What do I think will happen?...Hmm, well, I think that whom ever invests in the future beach properties in AZ, UT and NV will make a killing once CA is cut loose and floats off into the sunset.
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    • Posted by term2 6 months ago
      Mexico wouldnt want california (again) if it was in debt. And the citizens of california mostly came FROM mexico because they wanted the goodies of america. Why go back to mexico? California would just go the way of venezuela, OR perhaps it would see the lights of the remaining states governed by Trump, and want back in.
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  • Posted by Seer 6 months ago
    Who's going to pay for the wall?
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    • Posted by term2 6 months ago
      If we stop giving freebies to the illegals, we wont need a wall. No more free health care, no more miinimum wage, no more free housing and food stamps, etc. We offer all these things, and then wonder why the mexicans swim the rio grande in winter to get here. Its our fault, and perhaps Trump will fix that.
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      • Posted by Seer 6 months ago
        Well, they think America is wealthy enough to give it to them, unlike their own birthplace. They haven't figured out that Americans have (in the past) worked for their wealth.
        Yet, I think for the most part, the LEGAL immigrants have a strong work ethic. Unfortunately they also adhere to authoritarian types of religious beliefs.
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        • Posted by term2 5 months, 4 weeks ago
          I, for one, am tired of giving things that I have to work for away. I really resent the bums who parade around trying to make me feel guilty for having a few dollars that I worked for. I just ask them why they would think that I should go to work so they dont have to. Usually shuts them up
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          • Posted by Seer 5 months, 4 weeks ago
            I agree. I am not above helping those temporarily down on their luck, or without other means of getting through crises, but I WILL NOT pander to sloth and indolence, the very worst in human nature.
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            • Posted by term2 5 months, 4 weeks ago
              I wouldnt mind helping people to help themselves out of bad situations that they didnt create with the expectation of being bailed out.
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              • Posted by Seer 5 months, 4 weeks ago
                We agree. The very worst thing the Libs have done to Black America is provide for them. And so now there is black on black crime in major cities, and enormous amounts of drug addiction and dealing among blacks.
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                • Posted by term2 5 months, 4 weeks ago
                  I call it the new slavery. Once the blacks get locked into welfare, they have been newly enslaved by the white man
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                  • Posted by Seer 5 months, 4 weeks ago
                    That's a very good point. And all the time carrying this 150 year old grudge around...doesn't make much since.
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                    • Posted by term2 5 months, 4 weeks ago
                      So you get welfare, but each dollar you earn subtracts from the welfare you get. That seems to me like slavery of the white man again. You can get crumbs but if you earn anything on your own, you get fewer crumbs. No wonder the blacks are into drug dealing. Its good money and its tax free because its a cash deal
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  • Posted by  $  jbrenner 6 months ago
    One thing that the Trump/Hitlery election proved is that money isn't everything in politics. If it were, I might do a little interference to ensure California did secede.
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  • Posted by Casebier 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    Let California rejoin Mexico. A majority of their residents want to fly the Mexican flag and the other half thinks that's perfectly okay. Let them find out what real socialism is about with its government corruption, payoffs and income inequality.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    Anyone espousing this in California must not realize that southern California is a desert and a majority of their electricity and water comes from outside of the state. So once they secede they can expect that both spigots will be turned off and that region of the state will revert back to its natural state. Next, since most riots seem to occur in predominantly liberal areas, you can expect all the major centers of population to meltdown and be burned to the ground. And would go from the 8th largest world economy to almost third world levels. They would learn that they would be better off staying within the Union than outside of it.
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    All of the benefits of being part of the United would automatically be terminated, treaties would need to be be negotiated with a foreign government. The ilegal alien problem would be all their own along with the sanctuary cities. At the least the flyover Demcrats will have nowhere to fly, all those electoral votes for libs gone. There is a bright side, plus when the tectonic plates break we can off sympathy and negotiate and aid program for the refugees!!!
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  • Posted by mudirikwa 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    No way should we allow them to secede. They can pack their bags and go to Canada. We can arrange free transport for them. Note that not all Californians are infected with the zombie virus.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    Trump gotta love this, he can contract the Israeli wall building company and build walls to separate California. Then after that's done, tell the governors of NE Corridor States will do the same to you!
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  • Posted by  $  Ben_C 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    If California could / would secede from the US their first order of business would be to stop the exodus of their tax base ; - most likely by force: Hollywood and the like will scream like a two year old.
    The west coast ports problem will require taking back the Panama Canal that we gave away. I am sure a deal can be made when an aircraft carrier is parked out in the Gulf.
    Other than that I really don't see much of a problem - cut them loose!
    Ayn Rand will be smiling and saying, "I told you so."
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  • Posted by Domminigan 6 months ago
    In 2013 at least;
    According to Wikipedia(1) they recieved $343.7 billion in federal aid, but according to http://USGovernmentrecenue.com (2) California added $334.4 billion to the Government.

    Any reasonable person would look at this and decide that a deficit of $9.3 billion in one year being covered by doing little more than remaining in a group you don't entirely like would be not a great price to pay.
    Then again deficit spending being what it is and Cali already being in debt a great deal, perhaps they won't mind shouldering that burden.
    I'm of the mind we should support their withdrawal, if they so decide. I would hate to lose California from the union for many reasons, but I believe an independent California would collapse and the lesson learned by it's failure would not be lost on all.

    Not the best references, but my connection is poor today and I'm sick.
    (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feder...
    (2) http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/fe...

    Edit:
    I failed to mention the impact of interstate commerce, loss of a significant entertainment industry, loss of national corporations with branches and headquarters in California, increased travel restrictions and new border control, and a ton of other larger and smaller economic augmentations caused by a seperation of a state from the union that would all impact the numbers. It would be one heck of an experiment.
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  • Posted by  $  Temlakos 6 months ago
    California is one thing, but some have wanted to bid good-bye to Washington and Oregon, also. That would landlock us from the Pacific Ocean.

    But maybe I would want to carve out the proposed State of Jefferson, with an extra eastern corridor toward Idaho. That would give us land enough to develop a seaport to replace Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Seattle.
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    • Posted by term2 6 months ago
      A deal with Mexico could also be done in baja california
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      • Posted by  $  Temlakos 6 months ago
        Mexico no doubt wants to reunite our State of California with Mexico and call it Alta California. As I believe they do.
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        • Posted by Seer 6 months ago
          I wonder about that. I don't see how even Mexico can want California.
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          • Posted by  $  Temlakos 6 months ago
            Don't you get it yet? It's a territorial imperative! Mexico have wanted to reclaim the American Southwest since Benito Juarez kicked the French out! Then there's the Aztlan Chicano Student Movement (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or M.E.Ch.A. for short). They have a dream of rebuilding the old Aztec Empire. They have an interesting motto: "Por la raza todo; fuera la raza nada." You should be able to translate that even without Google Translate.

            A rational national leader might want nothing to do with California. But these are irrational national leaders we're talking about. They want that territory back, and only because they once stood on it, until Zachary Taylor and such able officers as Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. Jackson took it away from them. They're almost as bad as the Muslims when it comes to taking it as a personal insult that anyone else has the right to stand on territory they, as an ethnic group, once owned.
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            • Posted by term2 5 months, 4 weeks ago
              I think it would depend on how broke california was. It is valuable territory, but they would have to just wipe out all the debt. It would be quite a mess, and I doubt our feds would go along with it. The mexicans would probably think they could make california great again as a mexican state, but that would just never happen. Mexico isnt great now and never really was once the spanish and french got through with it, not to mention the catholic church.
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              • Posted by  $  Temlakos 5 months, 4 weeks ago
                Hey. We're not talking about Midas Mulligan. We're talking about Cuffy Meigs. Mexico would simply repudiate the debt. "The Frito Bandido" was an advertiser's joke, to be sure, but it had an element of truth.
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                • Posted by term2 5 months, 4 weeks ago
                  It would create quite a mess, since California is intertwined with USA interests, and there are a lot of people there who would definitely NOT like to be part of Mexico. Talk about a swamp to be drained- Mexico has far more than the USA. I used to have a plant in Mexico and it was VERY crooked. Paying people off was far too rampant for me, and I closed the plant and left.
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                  • Posted by  $  Temlakos 5 months, 4 weeks ago
                    And that could be one thing Donald Trump gently pointed out to the head of Carrier when he called: that he really didn't want to get into that cesspool, especially if Trump gave his word of honor as a gentleman that he would improve conditions here.

                    Many of those people who would not wish to be part of Mexico, live, I imagine, in the proposed State of Jefferson. The rest could move.
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                    • Posted by  $  Abaco 5 months, 4 weeks ago
                      We were just talking about the State of Jefferson in the office this morning. It's a beautiful place, really. I gave a talk up in Eureka about designing for energy efficiency a couple of years ago and ended it with how happy I was to speak to people in the State of Jefferson. They loved it...
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                      • Posted by  $  Temlakos 5 months, 4 weeks ago
                        The Net is still buzzing with California wanting to break away from the USA. Do they in Jefferson see a hope of breaking away from California? (And southern Oregon, too.)
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  • Posted by gmcmills 5 months, 3 weeks ago
    The author conveniently ignored the portion of the convention where the tyranny of the majority over the minority was addressed. Also if California can exit the US I propose that Louisiana has a better case since there is no provision in the Constitution for the President for purchasing territory for the US. We may want our Louisiana Purchase territory back.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 5 months, 3 weeks ago
    Did anyone ever see "Escape from Los Angeles" starring Kurt Russell? That's what Kalifornia would quickly degenerate into if they seceded. They're already both philosophically and financially bankrupt.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    And what about the poor slobs who are in the min-
    ority in California, who just want to live their lives
    without being ganged up on by a bunch of statists?
    I don't think it should be allowed, if it can be pre-
    vented legally.
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    • Posted by 5 months, 4 weeks ago
      The entire country has been ganged up on by a bunch of statists in the Dark Center for the past 60 years. Believe me, the feds will never let CA leave. "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."
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  • Posted by PiPhD 5 months, 4 weeks ago
    Who in their RIGHT mind would want Hillery (or Hitlery) to run California?! Besides, California does not NEED other states to approve their exit. California simply needs to STOP paying the fraudulent federal government tax!
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