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Revolution

Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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According to Karl Marx, there can be no change without a revolution. But does that always need to mean the use of force? Trump claims that his win was a movement. That the "fly over country" people were tired of remaining unheard and taken for granted. In state after state they came out in droves to hear Trump, who spoke to the very things they wanted -- no, make that NEEDED to hear. Those big rallies turned into votes, first in primaries, then for President. Wasn't that that a revolution? Trump represents an entirely new type of candidate which translates into an entirely new kind of President. Not a lawyer, but an accomplished business man. Not a smooth orator, but a kitchen table speaker wearing his heart on his sleeve. Not a cautious person putting forth a careful agenda, but boldly announcing what his plans were and confidently telling the people that, not only will it be done, but it will be done quickly.

Is he just a good actor? Is this another "All The King's Men?" Will he become a dictator? Or is he an honest revolutionary who truly is, "what you see, is what you get?" If he carries out even half of what he claims, I think history might just call it the "Trump Revolution."


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  • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In time, some SS guys will join the team, I think. BUT only after his own team has vetted them at considerable depth. Until then, they will work the perimeters.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most people go through life without the benefit of a coherent philosophy. They may act in correspondence with certain philosophical tenets, but for the most part they live by biblical rules, what they were taught in school or by parents. They'll be rational until they veer off to Neverland.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I share your concerns about Trump, even if our specific concerns as somewhat different. The underlying problem, I think, is that Trump is not an intellectual and does not have a fundamental philosophy behind him. For the moment, his path is somewhat similar to my views, so he is acceptable. Certainly in a much better direction than the anti-American Left. He was a Democrat before and he gave bribes, because that was the only way to survive and prosper in this corrupt system. But given the fact that he already has billion and at his age, being re-elected and leaving a good legacy is hell of a lot more important than taking a miserable (by his standards) bribe.

    I don't share your concern about his very capable children in his administration. After all, all the members of the administration are not elected, but appointed. Yes, they require confirmation, but that is essentially rubber stamped. In any case, the president can and should choose the staff that suits him. Don't we all rely on our families for certain work-related issues?

    Interesting that you have mentioned Trump's "memory" with regard to insults. I think that it's quite convenient that his enemies are so stupid as to openly advertise themselves. Today I read that D.C. Transit Authority has issued inauguration cards with Obama's picture and no mention of Trump. How long do you think these vermin will keep their tax-payer subsidized jobs?
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rumor has it that Lucy was not a progressive, she supported one of Trump's ancestors. The establishment claims that her death was caused by falling out of a tree, but they conveniently neglected to investigate a nearby grassy knoll.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, you've noticed that the peace-loving, PETA loving children of the flower will cut your throat if you don't agree with them.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unlike Obama's Zombies, his appointees owe nothing to a party or agenda. There is nothing to keep them from doing the right thing.
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  • Posted by WallStreetPirate 8 years, 9 months ago
    Yes, the Trump Revolution has begun.
    The Fly-over country has become Heartland again. The roots of the "big apple tree" are here. At the Mississippi.
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  • Posted by GaryL 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    None of us really know just how good or bad Trump could be so I have to accept some of what you say. On the other hand, the Hope and Change fool we are bidding good bye to never gave me either while at this point with Trump I do have some hope.
    Just basing my hope on the people he is appointing to his cabinet, actual real winners who have been highly successful in their private and in their military lives gives me a thrill. Pretty faced politicians elected on their popularity do squat for none of us and most have never even held a real job or signed the front of a payroll check. I just can't see how a Trump could be any worse than the bozo or Hillary so I am fine right now.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't attribute ignorance to Trump. But narcissism has a way of blinding even the most brilliant. I look at the slights Trump endured during the campaign - most notable Marco Rubio's "small hands" comment - and how Trump responded: he couldn't talk about anything else for two weeks on Hannity. True wisdom comes in knowing when to drop such things. Furthermore, Trump himself admitted to bribing politicians in order to get some of his casinos and golf courses built - to think that he is immune to such things is a blind faith that I simply don't have.

    "He must know that all illegal acts and all covert acts, will be uncovered, especially in his case, being under the microscope that he will surely be forever."

    And I hope that realization drives him to be open and honest in his dealings as President. I truly do. I would like nothing more than that President Trump lives under a wholly different formula of administration than his predecessor. Time will tell if this is the case or not. But as the phrase goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    "As to his children essentially being in his cabinet - that makes perfect sense. Whom else can he totally trust?"

    They are not part of his Cabinet. That would require Senate approval as it is an appointed position. Trump wants them to participate in official government business when they are neither elected nor appointed representatives. He wants them privy to confidential and secure communications they have no business or part in. I don't care whether he trusts them or not - they need to be approved as members of government or they are nothing more than Huma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, and Valerie Jarrett all over again. There was accurate criticism of Hillary for disclosing information to Chelsea via email regarding Benghazi. Trump would do well to learn from this tale. There is a proper procedure that Trump should make it a point to follow especially now. He isn't getting off on the right foot here and to me that is a warning sign of what will happen down the road.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would go back to Adam and Eve, they wanted to keep everything in the family. :-)
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yup, the revolution has arrived and was successful. It's now time to get rid of the ammo and trade in your gold for good old American fiat! :-)
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  • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You need to go to the Clayton and Anti-Trust Acts to find the beginnings of the problem (envy), followed by Teddy Roosevelt and Wilson, FDR, et al.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is precisely because he is a narcissist that I don't think that he will risk his reputation to gain a few million dollars due to insider information. Other millionaire politicians, including previous presidents, stole a few million (or a few tens of millions) through a life of bribery; that is their way of life. Trump earned his billions - another few millions will not make any difference, but put his reputation and legacy at risk. If anything, he's not stupid. Little people, like career politicians, who have always lived from one lie to another and from one theft to another, will continue on the same path, but for a billionaire like Trump, further monetary acquisitions cannot be of such great value as to jeopardize more important things in life - like self-actualization (to bring back Maslow). He must know that all illegal acts and all covert acts, will be uncovered, especially in his case, being under the microscope that he will surely be forever.
    As to his children essentially being in his cabinet - that makes perfect sense. Whom else can he totally trust? And given the caliber of his children, I would entrust them more (much more) than career politicians.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You hold a distinctly different view of both Trump and rich people than I do. My personal experience with those of affluence is that they aren't satisfied with what they have - they want more. I don't necessarily have a problem with that, unless they use their position rather than their invention and value-creation to generate that wealth. Trump has entertained scores of business ventures over his career - of varying success levels - but he's never sat on his laurels. I give him credit for taking the risks. But to say that his ambitions have changed in the blink of an eye? You'll have a long ways to go to persuade me of that, as it goes against human nature.

    Am I concerned that Trump is going to be selling his influence? Not like Hillary Clinton was doing, no. But I would love for someone to explain to me why Trump's children need security clearances and why they need to be in on briefings and cabinet meetings (as Trump desires) when they will hold no official positions and will still be running his companies. It is no small secret that many who acquire office as elected Representatives leave office much wealthier than they started because of insider information. Presidents are by no means exempt from this, but instead seem to be the most conspicuous examples.

    I am more than happy to wait to see what President Trump does. And I would be thrilled (up my leg, even ;) if Trump never did a dishonorable thing while in office. I'm just going to remain highly skeptical given what a narcissist he is.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the left people are the ones to worry about. They are violent when they dont get their way. THEY are the dictator types.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I see him making nice-nice with republicans so as to get their support for the things he needs congress to agree with. I say the swamp level is going to take a big hit. Thats why the liberals hate him so much.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In general, people that are already very rich, are not interested in further monetary gain. Doing what he thinks is right, making an impact and leaving a legacy would be more important to someone who has already earned billions. I, for one, have no concerns whatsoever that Trump will be selling influence to the Saudis (or anyone else) to gain another $10M. His semi-socialist outlook is a concern, but enriching himself monetarily at the expense of his legacy or values? I don't think so.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In that sense, Trump's presidency will actually delay a revolution, if it was in the cards. Hillary's coronation could have made it a reality.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It would be beneficial (and educational) if someone were to write and post a brief history of Progressivism (world-wide or in the US). It's socialist roots and communist infiltration are very relevant today.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It could go either way. At present if he keeps his word(s) a peaceful revolution could ensue. However it could turn from revolution to rice pudding, or it could turn to revolting if Trump gets dictator-ish or if the far left gets too rabid and vicious.
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