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Is this policy racist? You decide

Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 8 months ago to Business
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I fully support the right of a business to do business with whomever they choose and to refuse to do business with whomever they choose. I believe the market will be the ultimate arbiter.

That being said, is this directly targeting a specific group of people for non-service?
SOURCE URL: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/07/might-as-well-just-say-no-black-folks-allowed-bar-under-fire-for-racist-dress-code/

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  • Posted by richrobinson 11 years, 8 months ago
    It is directed at a certain group of people---losers. It seems to me it would be easy to abide by this code irregardless of your skin color.
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    • Posted by Snoogoo 11 years, 8 months ago
      PLEASE don't say irregardless, it is not a word! Sorry, it's just that if I were the wicked witch of the west that word would make me melt.
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      • Posted by richrobinson 11 years, 8 months ago
        Wow, touched a nerve. Sorry snoo. Regardless I did search it.
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar...
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        • Posted by Snoogoo 11 years, 8 months ago
          Haha it makes me sad that Webster lists it although it did say that it is ".. a long way from general acceptance". Perhaps I should explain myself. Regardless means "without regard" that I think we can all agree on. Ir- is used to negate a word, therefore the true meaning of 'irregardless' is without without regard. So if you follow that logically in a sentence wouldn't it mean with regard which is the opposite of what you are trying to say? In any case, avoiding double negatives does seem to be the best course of action. Think of that the next time the urge to say 'irregardless' comes up. And I'm done.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 8 months ago
        My wife said irregardless on our first date. I cringed, and she corrected herself. It was okay, partly b/c she corrected herself, but also b/c she's very pretty and more of a street fighter of getting-things-done world than an academic.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 8 months ago
    Yes, it is veiled racism. It is describing the attire of the stereo-typed young black-male. I don’t think it is civil-suit worthy, but it is in poor taste.

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  • Posted by Technocracy 11 years, 8 months ago
    It is only offensive because people are looking for something to be offended by.

    Maybe the heavy chains worn outside the shirt is the professional victim badge.

    This is what the cancer of political correctness results in.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years, 8 months ago
    This isn't racism any more than price discrimination is racism. Why would a business want to encourage the thug mentality to frequent their establishments? I don't see anywhere on the sign which targets any ethnicity, just a manner of dressing.
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    • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago
      If anything, it 's anti -gangster. Who wants to dress in a way that associates themselves with a criminal element? Maybe the owners want to mitigate violence
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  • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 8 months ago
    No it's targeting the clothes they wear because it's illegal to discriminate against a specific group of people with immutable characteristics. So they targeted the mutable ones.
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    • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago
      Because they want people to dress up? I guess if you 're culturely stitched up into your clothing. I wonder if the moms of people who dress like this think the same way as the bar owners....hmmmmm
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      • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 8 months ago
        There's definitely not enough evidence to straight up call them racist, I'm just saying if a racist wanted to keep minorities out, this is a potential tactic they could use without breaking laws.

        The signs not racist, people who think it is racist obviously have a stereotypical view on how black people dress, which could be called racist maybe, assuming all black people dress the same is generalizing based on race, though racist is such a vague word these days.

        That's the real issue here, vagueness. Since racists can't say they are racist without fear of violent repercussions, they have to resort to being vague and mixing in with the general public and business owners who do simply want a nice dress code.

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        • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago
          well if that was their intention, why wouldn't the dress code be enforced all hours of operation?
          I think one would have to prove bouncers weren't letting certain ethnicities entrance. most cultures have certain sectors dressing certain ways. EVERYONE wears athletic clothing. I don't see the big chains as a black thing, I see it as a gangster thing. and, I'm sorry, but if you identify with gangsters and like to glorify that, I may not want you in my establishment after dark. which is key here-after dark.
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          • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 8 months ago
            That's an extremely strong case to prove this is all hyped up by people looking for problems. I didn't know that it was only during certain hours, that makes a world of difference.

            However I don't think they would have to prove that bouncers were denying access to minorities to declare the owners racist. It's illegal to blatantly do something like that, and I'm sure even a racist would begrudgingly allow minorities in to avoid legal ramifications.

            Being racist isn't illegal, only acting on it. Which means they would probably do everything they could within the law to deter minorities from patronizing their business. Just because I pay taxes doesn't mean I sanction them, and the same is true in this case.

            However it's all pretty much moot because like you said it's only during certain hours.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 11 years, 8 months ago
    The only problem I have is the part with the sleeveless undershirts. As a woman I wear those all of the time in the summer. Also, the athletic apparel thing is kind of weird. They can post whatever they want. Bar Louie sucks anyway.
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  • Posted by edweaver 11 years, 8 months ago
    For me this is one of those questions where I pull a Hillary and ask "what difference does it make" if this targets a group of people or the clothing or anything else. I believe we all have certain prejudices, be it people, places or things. The only difference in the 3 is one have emotion attached to it. The question I ask is don't we all have the right to be prejudice against anything we don't like. I am not condoning, just saying as a freedom loving person, what gives me or anyone the right to tell someone they have to like somebody? For anyone that may think people should not have the right to discriminate on any basis, then one would have to assume that that person would welcome every person, even their worst enemy into their own home because not welcoming them in would be discriminating.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 8 months ago
    Yesterday I said that I would call out racism when I saw it. This policy is right at the borderline of racist, but Rozar is correct in saying that the bar targeted the mutable characteristics. If they wanted to have a dress code, they could have worded it less offensively.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 8 months ago
      "Less offensively"... such as??? No, don't answer that (smilekins)... this is the WHOLE point... I'm sick of worrying about 'offending' someone... people need to grow up and if a business doesn't want you, or your clothing, appearance, smell, hair style....or whatever else in their business establishment, then for the life of me I do not understand WHY someone who falls under that description would WANT to go into that establishment. It circles right back around into an entitled attitude. As if the establishment OWES anyone who passes by entrance. Business owners don't owe anyone anything..it's THEIR business.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 8 months ago
        I don't get it either. If they just said they didn't like minorities it would be enough for people to be embarrassed to go in there. I agree with the Technocracy that this is mostly people looking for something to be offended about.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 8 months ago
    If I were manager, I'd post a dress code restricting no pants hanging below waist level. I don't care what race you are, you look like a trashy penguin. A 4-year-old trashy penguin when you got your hand holding your crotch to keep your oversized pants from dropping below your knees.

    HOW has this fashion managed to survive so long??
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