Dr. Ben Carson - Libertarian?

Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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These are some GREAT quotes! #4 is my favorite.


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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To an Objectivist, your point is well taken. The thing most on this forum tend to forget is that Objectivists are using the Rand definition of selfishness that isn't known or accepted to the vast majority of the world. I would strongly caution against judging someone by definitions he himself has not acknowledged.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Keep in mind that Objectivists have a completely different definition of selfishness than the rest of the world. Use the definition as he is using it - narcissism - and the meaning is more clear. Note that he is not advocating allowing others to tell him what to do, merely that one should show respect and listen to the arguments of all parties. To me, this is a call for rational debate instead of finger-pointing and hyperbole - a welcome change to the political catfights that so frequent the current environment.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think we're pointing out that he is missing some logical foundations for a few concepts and that is a warning sign. To me it means, I'm not sure where you'll come down on certain issues. I think he is a very smart guy, who has alot to say. I'm not sure I want him running the country.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you folks put too much emphasis on the specific words instead of the intent. He probably could have been more articulate in putting more in the vein of - To remain cool and calm it helps to put yourself in the position of the other person and try to understand the situation from their point of view. Which seems to be sage advice.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have to say that first point is altruistic. Give up selfishness? What else is that?

    The man needs to understand that selfishness is not evil or bad, but that it is very good when coupled with reason and looking at the big picture. If he gives it up, he will be a louse leader tossed to and fro with the winds.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There's this little thing called the "warrant" which is the legal way to spy on Americans...
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    Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He was a patriot until he fled the country to our enemies to avoid prosecution for his crime.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree thoroughly with #1. The best way to stay cool and calm is to know yourself. D'Anconia, Galt, Rearden, Ragnar.... didn't they all stay pretty cool, even when provoked? Because they knew who they were, and didn't need to worry about what other people thought or felt.
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  • Posted by radical 11 years, 11 months ago
    Dr. Carson is too rational to ever be elected in America.
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 11 years, 11 months ago
    You'd think #3 ("We all have choices in the way we react to the words we hear.") wouldn't be particularly controversial. But take a look at what happened when I dropped something like it into a comment thread on a leftist site a couple of months ago: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2...
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  • Posted by RobertFl 11 years, 11 months ago
    Conservatives are having to redefine themselves as they leave the GOP and Republican party. There is much I agree with, with the Libertarians. but there are something I cannot be on board with (Open borders).
    The question isn't whether he is, or isn't a Libertarian it's how much can he turn away from the GOP
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Managing a bunch of MD's and PhD's is lot like trying to manage the Gulch. You quickly learn that people are quite capable of managing themselves far better than you could manage them.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct. The biggest problem with gov't efficiency is that the "real" objectives aren't spoken - as you identify one of the keys is the scope of power that is derived by the politician (and the sycophants in gov't that run the agencies). You won't find that on any published mission statement or list of priorities, but it ranks up there at the top.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, I agree that it isn't like running a state, but I think of it this way: Would I rather have a politician running the show, or a businessman?

    A businessman is going to come in and say "this isn't efficient" and look for ways to make things run better. A politician is just going to come in and say "how can expand my scope of power".
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 11 months ago
    From an objectivist perspective, there is no "perfect" candidate on the horizon. Dr. Carson is so filled with common sense in his pronouncements that he can't help but appeal to a rational thinker. Also, because of who he is, and what he is, he takes away from the libs one of their most effective tools which is character assassination. I think that he certainly is a person who can beat Hillary, and someone who won't be afraid to implement ideas which the lame-stream press will call controversial but we call rational. His greatest virtue? He's not a politician.
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  • Posted by ewv 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The recent Frontlines documentary United States of Secrets showed what happened to the people before him who tried to protest in terms acceptable to the government, and how Snowden realized that the only strategy that could work required massive documentation that couldn't be covered over or ignored.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, that's getting closer, but not really the same as a decent sized state. But as you say, far more than the current occupant.

    And I'm happy to hear that the extraction was successful.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't, I just wanted to get other perspectives.

    To me, he's still somewhat of an enigma. He gets points in my book for being practical and standing up to President Obama on some things, but I don't know his positions on everything like say Rand Paul or Ted Cruz.
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