There are a lot of useful idiots who will tell you that they are motivated by child welfare.

" Hand your kids "
My point is their applying it to kids who do not even physically go to a school shows it's not really about school.

I suspect most people who support this are motivated by child welfare, not a desire to destroy the parent/child bond. But they start with the underlying question "should people be allowed to do X?" It's up to citizens, according to this bad line of thinking, to demonstrate their choices are valid to be able to make them.

It would almost be an easier problem if there were one evil person twirling his mustache while planning to destroy the parent/child bond. It's not true. They want to take away the right to refuse a proven medical protection or eat Taco Bell and drink big gulps because I can't show those things are good ideas.

It has to do with two things: selling drugs and getting access to your kids. In order to do that they must attack the parent/child bond. Very simple. Hand your kids over so that they may form "healthy attachments with adults".

LOL, rainman0720, I had the exact same take and didn't need to get much past that as well. I also wondered if the list "...regardless of gender, class, race,..., etc. blah blah blah..." missed any important PC groups.

"It certainly applies to home schoolers. "
Wow. That makes no sense. Then it really has nothing to do with school at all. That's just the fig leaf under which the gov't tries to make decisions for people's children.

Big smile and a nod to you Flootus5.

I think 1) vaccines are good, 2) the idiots or autism are the same kind of fools as climatologists, and 3) as always CA went too far.

Not surprisingly, they fail to understand that inherent rights do not come from government. Inherent rights are those that nobody else must be forced to pay for the provision of such "services" through government. Inherent rights are those it is the limited function of government to protect - not provide.

That is why it is called the Cereal State. Remove the fruits and nuts and you still have the flakes.

I am homeschooling two kids in California, vaccination law is one of the reasons we chose homeschooling. It also made homeschooling here much more common.

Da, Comrade Susanne. Me Comrade Dino once read of the people's paradise of Soviet Union splendor.
Political prisoners were made to constantly stare at a closed peep flap in their cell door.
If the guard pulled it open and the prisoner was not staring straight at it, the guard came in with some help to beat the prisoner up.
Now all in a sudden me Comrade Dino thinks of the Hotel California song.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hotel...

I don't like the government making me do anything, period. I don't mind information that can be trusted but that should come from private hands, not public hands. Only the best information will rise to the surface and not some government study that was funded to achieve a result.

The scary part is when the government is to put forth research-based solutions, who's research is being used, what input will parents and children have in this matter, or will it be top down do what I say but my kids are in private schools!

It certainly applies to home schoolers. In fact, I'm pretty sure they were a main target, as they escaped Pans last big bill, SB277. He didn't like that one bit.

Obviously a misprint - should have been "Politburo Decree from the Democratic Liberal Free Socialist Revolutionary People's State of Kalifornia."

Is OK, Tovarich... People's Revolutionary State Re-Education Enforcers, er, "education specialists" will be by tonight after midnight to give you free "re-education" in correct and proper thought. Sleep well, Comrade... heh heh heh...

I think that the saying that might be appropriate it: "It takes a village idiot to come up with this garbage"....

The "village" according to this Senator Pan is, apparently, the government, and their enforcement minions.

My question is this - Senator Pan - is the first name "Peter" or "Bed"? (Perhaps "Frying"???)\

Just so you know (and I've seen many, MANY Senate and Assembly bills from out here in the PDRK) aI have seen a LOT of bills that start out sounding innocuous (or even inane) and being amended 99+% to something absolutely different - one started out as a bill to regulate Waste Discharges of Chicken "byproducts" within 150 feet of certain types of geographic formations, and was amended in committee to prohibit the restriction against adding "at will" employees (classified to have "open" salaries) appointed by certain lawmaker committees, and including a nice bonus addition to said committee members.

All perfectly legal under our fine liberal people's free state's rules to do this.

Well, many latch on to the vaccination facet here. Note that it isn't specifically spelled out - just medical care.

I have dedicated a decade of my life to studying vaccines. I have worked in two different health organizations, been involved in the premier autism research group in the world (happens to be located 10 miles from my home) as both a researcher and a subject (that was interesting), looked at the CDC's own data from their studies on vaccines, and spoken with many pediatricians on this (including at least one that everybody here has heard of). I no longer offer my opinion on vaccines. This is because my opinion was forged over all this time and effort. What I have found is that almost nobody knows anything about vaccines (both ingredients and "mandated" application programs). But, I will share this here, as I think it's appropriate. Forced vaccination violates Objectivism. Take a moment to think about why that may be. It actually takes some deep thought so pour yourself a glass of wine, sit on the porch and watch the sunset while mulling that over...

The people have almost no say in this. A leftist drafts it, this particular one will see no committees, a majority under the dome votes for it and the governor signs it. And, he WILL sign this.

And just who decides what is for the children's
"health" and "well-being"? The parents? Oh, no,
perish the thought! The Almighty State, through
its bureaucracies!!
Are the people of California such irrational idiots as to let this thing pass?! (I'm afraid so.
I hope not, but who can say what will happen
there?--I'm just glad I live in Virginia, and not
there.--But who can tell how far it will creep?)

I don't think that government should force you to pay for public school. Having said that I think the vaccination mandate is something the government should be allowed to do in the case it is necessary for public safety. In this particularly case it's debatable whether or not the mandate is necessary for public safety.

That's a good definition for "indoctrinated."

So what we actually have here are competing values: the one that says that a provider offering a service gets to declare the terms of that service and that in this instance, it is the government offering the service. What the government is trying to obfuscate, however, is that ALL of their power is derived from the very people who are in this case their customers. So in reality, this is a case where a small group of people is trying to usurp power from the people and tell the people what they have to do. What's even more insidious is that these same government officials also mandate the education standards.

This is purely a power play and should be rejected and the propositioners smacked down in the most obvious and public manner.

The land of fruits and nuts, mostly spoiled and rancid collectively speaking.

Sooooo glad I left the PRC a couple of years ago and moved to Utah. The biggest mistake California made was to go from a part time to a full time legislature.