Talking With Lefties

Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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Living here in the fray in California I have been having regular interaction with naïve lefties. It's challenging. They are really out of sorts post-election. I find myself repeating the same stuff trying to talk them off the ledge (hey...it's all we got out here and I like some of these folks) so I thought I'd share. I like to remind them that if America doesn't like Trump they can vote for somebody else in just four years. When they start to get wound up about racist organizations running through our streets I remind them to turn off the tv and go by what they see with their own eyes. When they attack their spouses and/or alienate their children due to differing political views I remind them that family is so important and that challenging times are when we pull the ones we love closer, not push them away. When they complain about Trump saving 1000 jobs at Carrier I simply ask, "Would you prefer that those jobs leave?" - and wait patiently for them to process what I just said. When they talk about cops killing people I ask what Obama said about those instances, and that we should wait to see what Trump does when it happens again (because it will soon enough, don't you worry) - then we can judge. I remind them that he's not even in office yet...so you'll have to wait to impeach him.

Just thought I'd share my experiences in the trenches out here on the left coast with the hope that some of you may use my new skills...


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  • Posted by tdechaine 9 years, 9 months ago
    Talking with the Left (or any irrational person) requires a focus on fundamentals. When they want to spew PC or emotions, ask them what their real issue with X really is; then get fundamental with them until their ignorance is revealed. Then you may be leaving them with some food for thought.

    Re racism, they need only look to their current President and remember that he created the renewed racial divide.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A lot of these people don't stop for long enough to hear themselves arguing for fewer jobs, lower wages, worse healthcare. But, that's what they argue for when they get rolling.

    A couple days ago one of them said, "And, Trump is meeting with all these people at the Trump Tower, OMG!" That's it...just that he's meeting people at his office. They gripe about him being "way behind" in who he's appointing to his cabinet. First, that doesn't really matter. Second, it's false. He's not really behind.

    I am reminded constantly that we are nation in deep trouble because we have so many stupid people who feel that they have the right to impose their will and beliefs on others. I don't think that's going to change. I remain guarded no matter who's President, and I still mull over an escape plan.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If they only knew how perverse and how corrupt, their leftest heroes are...there is just no pass, under any circumstances for these creatures. In that vein, they are certainly naive...never mind, mis-educated.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As philosophers go, I like Voltaire quite a bit. If you are a doctrinaire Objectivist you must overlook a lot of God talk, but aside from that he imparted a great amount of wisdom.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One of my favorite quotes is from Voltaire. "Those who can make you believe fallacies can make you commit atrocities." No wonder that he was on the run from his government...haha...
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are two factions. There is the leadership, which certainly is not naïve. There are the useful idiots (to put it bluntly) who really can't think on their own.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 9 months ago
    Hello Abaco,
    I just quoted Voltaire on another thread, but this seems another appropriate time to do so.
    "The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it." Voltaire
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by mminnick 9 years, 9 months ago
    Abaco, I agree with most of you comment. There is one phrase you used that I disabree with. The left is not Naïve. They have been working towards the election of someone like Hillary for about 149 years. They thought that after the rousing success of Obama that she, a true pure progressive would be a shoo in for election.
    They are not naïve they are a dedicated revolutionaries set on the "Fundamental" change in the USA to a third world crap hole with them as the ruling class.
    Look at whom the idolize. Whom they quote etc.
    The main reason they didn't win this election is their candidate made the very stupid mistake of exposing her true motives ($$$$) and her true feelings about the law and national security by her criminal actions with the classified e-mails. But for that we would be on the road to a servant stat of the PRC or Russia, perhaps even Tehran.
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