I'm a Democrat but I've gotta admit it's now Trump 2, Dems 0

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Good discussion of some of the issues facing the country as we move into a more contentious working arrangement with PRC.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 4 months ago
    Never has the old phrase, "grasping at straws" been so obvious to behold as democrats scramble to summon up any vestige of policy through denigration.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago
    The Chinese had hand their hand in the cookie jar for a decade or more in addition to trade secrets stolen from US.STEEL they also may have hit German steel co. I bet they wanted Clinton to win like the rest of the looters!
    ThyssenKrupp secrets stolen in 'massive' cyber attack
    Thu, 8 Dec 12:22:00 GMT
    By Eric Auchard and Tom Käckenhoff
    FRANKFURT, Dec 8 (Reuters) - Technical trade secrets were stolen from the steel production and manufacturing plant design divisions of ThyssenKrupp AG in cyber attacks earlier this year, the German company said on Thursday.
    "ThyssenKrupp has become the target of a massive cyber attack," the industrial conglomerate said in a statement.
    In breaches discovered by the company's internal security team in April and traced back to February, hackers stole project data from ThyssenKrupp's plant engineering division and from other areas yet to be determined, the company said.
    ThyssenKrupp, one of the world's largest steel makers, attributed the breaches to unnamed attackers located in southeast Asia engaged in what it said were "organised, highly professional hacker activities".
    Globally, cyber attacks on banks, retailers and other businesses have led to widespread consumer data breaches and mounting financial losses in recent years, but revelations of industrial espionage are rare.
    ThyssenKrupp's belated disclosure came a week after an attack on nearly 1 million routers caused outages for Deutsche Telekom customers. [nL8N1DU5T6]
    German business magazine Wirtschafts Woche reported the attacks hit sites in Europe, India, Argentina and the United States run by the Industrial Solutions division, which builds large production plants. The Hagen Hohenlimburg speciality steel mill in western Germany was also targeted, the report added.
    The company declined to identify specific locations which were infected or why it had not previously disclosed the attack. It said it could not estimate the scale of the intellectual property losses.
    A criminal complaint was filed with police in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia and an investigation is ongoing, it said. State and federal cyber security and data protection authorities have been kept informed, as well as Thyssen's board.
    Secured systems operating steel blast furnaces and power plants in Duisburg, in Germany's industrial heartland in the Ruhr Valley, were unaffected, the company said.
    No breaches were found at its marine systems unit, which produces military submarines and warships. The infected computer systems have been cleansed and are now subject to constant monitoring against further cyber attacks.
    A previous cyber attack caused physical damage to an unidentified German steel plant and prevented the mill's blast furnace from shutting down properly.
    The country's Federal Office for Information Security (BSI) revealed two years ago that the attack caused "massive damage", but gave no further technical details and the location of the plant has remained shrouded in mystery.
    Subsequent media reports identified the target as a ThyssenKrupp facility, but the company has denied it was hit.
    The company, a major supplier of steel to Germany's automotive sector and other manufacturers, is looking to merge its European steel operations with Indian-owned Tata Steel to combat over-capacity in the sector. [nL8N1DO5QN]
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 4 months ago
      " . . . revelations of industrial espionage are rare." But industrial cyber-espionage itself is probably common. Many companies are likely reluctant to admit they have been hacked due to the public embarrassment it would cause, and the reluctance of other companies to share sensitive information with them.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 4 months ago
    The leadership of the Dems are still totally clueless. Hard to believe that a single telephone call and a few tweets can cause them to become unhinged.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 4 months ago
      The drowning dimdems now clutch at every straw.
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      • Posted by NealS 7 years, 4 months ago
        Just think about how you would react to your children behaving like dimdems. Everything blamed on someone else, admission to the truth or an apology just not in their vocabulary. I say let them stew in their own creation, I was actually kind of astounded that real Americans are smarter than that.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 4 months ago
          Me dino has a black modified AR15-looking 9mm carbine nicknamed "Evil Hag" because I was convinced there were no longer enough real Americans to keep her out of the White House.
          Never would have gone to the trouble and expense if it was not for Cackle's presidential run and a theory that 9mm bullets would be the last to disappear.
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          • Posted by NealS 7 years, 4 months ago
            It's probably a good idea to have at least a few of those around in any case today. Cackle was/is not the only threat to this country around anymore.
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            • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 4 months ago
              Oh, yeah. You never knoww.
              I'll still be stocking up on 9mm's also for my pocket pistol and pistol with a larger capacity clip that I keep in my glove compartment.
              I have two other hand guns plus a pump shotgun that has two bandoliers stuffed with 12-guage double-aught and five very visible for the color green shells of triple-aught
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  • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 4 months ago
    The concept of tariffs is really not that difficult to understand. It boggles my mind that so many don't, unless they willfully choose to not understand. When we impose tariffs on imports, two things happen - the imported product becomes more expensive for the consumer, thus lowering an average person's buying power and standard of living and, secondly, "protecting" the local industry from an incentive to be better and more competitive, e.g., keeping the local industry back from its full potential (which leads to more cries for further protection...). If a foreign country chooses to artificially subsidize a certain product and "dump it" on our market, we should welcome their foolishness. In effect, they would be acting as if they were a voluntary colony of ours, producing and delivering us good at below their cost, without us being the "evil colonists" - after all, they're doing it voluntarily. Of course, the reality is that Chinese, for example, goods are not below market prices, nor below their cost of production. The reality is that our regulations (primarily) and tax policies are choking our industries. We have several useless people watching, overseeing, reporting and accounting for every one person actually producing. And the more mafia-style, eh, I meant, government protection we install, the further we fall.

    Of course, the theft of intellectual property is a separate issue and needs to be dealt with as with any theft.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 7 years, 4 months ago
    On trade, Trump's ideas are dangerous. Independent of his reasons to take the call, we can't threaten China or anyone because we have lost jobs - which is due to regulations and taxes, not China. Re Carrier, that looks like cronyism and strong-arming, but have to wait and see his general approach to jobs growth.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 4 months ago
      China is a bully, and bullies back down when faced with a strong opponent. I'm not talking about military strength, but effective management of market forces. China is currently sweating bullets struggling to convert their economy from nearly purely export to a consumer driven system. There are different tools to entice them to be more cooperative in changing the relationship, and some involve snatching customers (stick), and helping them to develop a home consumer market (carrot). Tariffs are the nuclear option, if all else fails. China currently places heavy tariffs on American goods, so maybe it's time we promised to return the favor.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago
      The Chinese have been stealing intellectual property that has great value. They are not responsible for our regulations and govt. looting. That is true.
      What is so dangerous about leveling the playing field on trade? That is what I heard Trump say.
      Please explain the cronyism with Carrier.
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      • Posted by tdechaine 7 years, 4 months ago
        Carrier: special favors to save half the jobs; like Obama with Solindra albeit with a legitimate/successful business. The economics - overall a negative for the country - were ignored for the sake of politics.
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        • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago
          Thanks for your reply, Solyndra got $535 million
          In govt loans and defaulted.
          What did we give Carrier? I would like to see your response to Trumps "Dangerous trade "policy.
          Respectfully,
          DOB
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          • Posted by tdechaine 7 years, 4 months ago
            The amount does not matter; it's the principle.
            Carrier got enough to make it profitable to keep some jobs here + tax breaks.
            Consumers will pay more for their products that are built here.
            It is cronyism to pick and choose political favors for businesses. And if businesses do not agree with Trump, then he will impose tariffs - that's the DANGER.
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            • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 4 months ago
              Carrier got special tax credits. Solyndra got government loans that turned into subsidies. Neither is good, but subsidies are worse than tax credits, given that a company has to actually have earnings in order to offset the tax credits.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago
    I too liked that President elect Trump called the president of Taiwan. China is an important trading partner, but China and US should haven't to treat each other like those episodes of Star Trek where the crew has to put up with every silly request some foreign species makes to avoid offending them. I actually think it might help him that his critics say Trump's a loose cannon and/or doesn't know what he's doing. They're saying for him that he doesn't know or care about this diplomatic rule, which I think is a good thing.

    That's where my agreement with the article ends. The author seems to be hoping that Trump aggravates China and it leads to a trade war. He suggests defaulting on the national debt, something that the US has never done, going back to the American Revolution. Both ideas would be dangerous and enormously costly if carried out, and the author probably knows how absurd it sounds.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago
      True , but we should seek retribution from China for hacking and stealing American Co.s intellectual property and business. I wonder how dhalling would recommend we recoup the losses.
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