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What is the definition of a "HATE CRIME"?

Posted by mminnick 8 years, 4 months ago to News
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Many people are talking about the rise in "Hate Crimes" since Mr. Trump was elected. Exactly what is a "Hate Crime"
It seems to me if you commit a violent crime against anyone, a certain degree of hate was involved. I know that this term came about because certain violent crimes were committed because of a persons race, ethnicity, religion and/or sexual preference. But, IMHO, all Crime involves somne degree of hate toward the victims. White on Black, Black on White, anybody on anybody.
For example in NYC there were 64 "hate crimes" since Mr. Trump was elected. does that men there were 64 additional crimes that were reported that met the requirements bor gbeing a hate crime or there were 64 crimes reported in the normal course of events theart ere construed to meet the definition of hate crime?
Another questions in this area that has puzzled me, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer to: If a white person attacks a black, it is generally taken to be a hate crime until shown not to be. If a black person attacks a white, what is it counted as? A hate crime or just a crime? NOT trying to start a huge race debate here, just looking for an answer to this puzzling (to me) question.

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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but motive is essentially thought crime. This is why Social Justice Warriors and Progressives attribute motivation to their enemie's statements. If you want to build a wall to slow or stop illegal cross border immigration, you are racist. If you dispute the wage gap and claim it is really an earnings gap, you are a mysogynist. Hate crimes are just another way, albeit a physical one, of punishing someone you don't agree with. You claim you know what is on their mind while they committed their crime and attribute more penalties based on your reading of their mind. And it is spilling over into speech. So while I may hold differing opinions from you, the new progressives want to start using hate crime legislation to start curtailing my free speech and possibly jail me for it. Now while I have little fear of it working, it is an indication of where these people want the country to go.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 4 months ago
    There is no such thing as a hate crime in the way it is used today, because it usually specifies race.. There are crimes motivated by hate, but note that race is not mentioned. A man hates his wife, or his boss, or the man who his wife wed when she divorced him. Hate is probably involved in all of those. If it results in murder -- then the crime is murder. The various degrees of murder are legitimate in my opinion, but the hate designation as used is bogus.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 4 months ago
    Every crime is motivated by hate: either hate of others or hate of one's self. One can be taught to hate, and one can give one's self over to hate, but in the end it's still an empty, emotional response to life.

    Hate is also used as a policy tool of control. If you can get your followers to rely on hate, you can control them and use them.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello preimart1,
    If that was against the law we would need a lot more prisons, the halls of congress would be almost empty and it would bring a virtual end to our traffic problems. :)
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by LarryHeart 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Speech in anger is not hate. There is no evidence of prejudice under the temporary insanity of anger. Reasoning is overwhelmed. The most one can say is it is offensive. If someone says in anger 'I hate you" like a teenager say to their parents or classmates or when jilted, is that evidence of hate. Or "I will kill you". Is that evidence of criminal intent?

    Unfortunately these people who came up with Hate Crime are terrible judges. They have no real standards to go by. Solution: Make standards that Congress and all regulations must go by. Oh wait there is a constitution. Oh wait no their isn't. There is only a piece of paper that more judges have erased and changed to allow the illogical and power hungry to write on it anything they want. We need a standard of American Mores to guide us.
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  • Posted by preimert1 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a saying: "good neighbors come in all colors". I submit that ass-holes come in all colors as well, Therefore an incidence involving an ass-hole of color should not necessarily be classed as a hate crime. Last time I looked, merely being an ass-hole in itself is not a crime.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 4 months ago
    I suppose that breaking into someones house and stealing isnt really involve hating anyone in particular (they probably arent even home). It is different from grabbing a gay dude and beating him up because he is gay but hasnt done anything in particular to you.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am one of the basket of deplorables Hildebeast talked about. So if I get attacked, I can say I was a victim of a hate crime I guess.
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  • Posted by Blanco 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, the concept of "hate crime" is a liberal concoction to give liberals and their collectivist government more unconstitutional power over the states and individual citizens that they do not like.
    It is as irrational and as unconstitutional as "affirmative action". Neither of these monstrosities would exist in America if we had a majority of originalists on the Supreme Court.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 8 years, 4 months ago
    In "Atlas Shrugged" Dr. Ferris to Hank Rearden "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of law-breakers—and then you cash in on guilt."

    Hate crimes are just another form of gaining government power. They are ways to use the law to control people or eliminate them from civil society. They can take misdemeanor crimes and make them felonies. They are bludgeons in areas of law that require more nuances. And they are ways to divide communities along lines of identity politics. And a divided constituency is a government officials dream because it allows them to play a distraction game on one hand while possibly doing underhanded things with the other.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One more thought: a hate crime label on an offense is used as a way around the constitutional restraint on double jeopardy afforded by the 5th amendment. If a defendant is found innocent in a local court, or the Federal government thinks the punishment is too light, they will charge the defendant with a hate crime on the same evidence and conduct the trial in a federal court.
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  • Posted by chad 8 years, 4 months ago
    Hate crime is another term invented by socialists to make people feel bad for the victim when they are determined to be of a specific group that can be utilized to engender fear and hatred toward any moral individuals who had nothing to do with the crime. It is a method of turning one group, i.e. black people, against another group, i.e. white people, and making the white people feel guilty that a black man killed a white man. Crimes are committed at times that are based on hatred on another's identity but that is not a community problem, that is the problem of the particular individual involved.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 4 months ago
    The invention of "hate" crime was purposely intended to override the authority of local law enforcement. Hate crimes are federal offenses, and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI and Federal Marshals. Originally they were supposed to be primarily violent offenses such as homicide and assault, but have been blown out of proportion to include speech or writing that offends some ethnic, religious, or cultural identity group. One of the things I hope to see under a Trump DOJ is at least the defederalizing of hate crime investigation and indictment, or preferably the elimination of the hate crime description altogether. That would return the rightful jurisdiction of crime to local authorities.
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  • Posted by Robairete 8 years, 4 months ago
    A "Hate Crime" is a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence, and worthy of a heavier penalty than a crime against an individual or individuals.
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