Stein escalates recount push in face of criticism, goes to federal court in Pennsylvania

Posted by mminnick 9 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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Apage from the Democrat/Progressive playbook.
1. Get the voters to give you what you want
2. If they don't, get the state courts to do it.
3. If that fails, get the Federal courts to give it to you.
Given the current leaning of federal judges, it is just possible that Stein could get the Feds to order a recount of the all ballots.
She is not asking for a machine recount but rather a hand recount. Just as she did in Michigan. Given the enormity of the ballot count it may not be possible to certify the counts by the 13th. this casts doubts on the ability of the electors to cast their ballots on the 19 for the final count of electoral votes. then it will be interesting to see what happens.
The other question is what happened if the votes don't change the outcome? What options are open to the Green party people and to the Dem's, who a gleefully support them?


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  • Posted by gerstj 9 years, 3 months ago
    If recount challenges are allowed by 1% candidates, just think of the chaos that can be caused. Last minute challenges could be widely used to prevent certification of electors and the functioning of the electoral college. Sequential challenges could be used in various states to collapse the system. This sounds like Cloward Piven tactics.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 9 years, 3 months ago
    One of the things that bothers me is Stein's narrow selectivity of where she's demanding recounts: Three states that were "supposed" to vote for the Hildabeast but didn't.

    If she really and truly was worried about the integrity of the process, then she would demand recounts in all 50 states and PR, since there could be problems everywhere votes are cast.

    (Putting on my conspiracy theory hat...)

    I had another thought over the past week, especially as I read stories about how the Dems were less than enthusiastic about the recounts. Some of them seem like they'd rather accept the results, lick their wounds, toss some more grenades at Trump and his deplorables, and move on to 2018.

    Why would Democrats be almost eager for the recounts to just go away? One possible reason would be as CG mentioned: What if Trump is right about voter fraud in California? What if the recounts turn up voter fraud NOT in Trump's favor, but rather to Shrillary's benefit? What if these recount show that for every 10 illegal votes cast, 7 or 8 went D instead of R?

    Maybe Jill Stein knows this, and her real motive is to expose the voter fraud knowing full well that at least big chunks of the fraud directly benefits Democrats, which will also prove Republicans right about having more Voter ID laws requiring everyone to prove that they are legal voters.

    Just a thought.

    (removing the conspiracy hat)
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  • Posted by $ HarmonKaslow 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem is that the machine could be programmed to be accurate for the first 10,000 ballots (or choose any number) ... and thereafter be rigged. Or, the machine could be rigged to give an accurate count AFTER the election date. Whatever a programmer could dream, an electronic voting machine can do. They discovered this issue with Gas Pumps ... where they were accurate for the first 5 gallons (the amount measured by Gov't Weights & Measures (see: http://www.ringcar.com/3_641eb57106d4... and then shorted you thereafter. As a result, in my opinion, the only way to validate the machine is a 100% hand count. Now, I'm not weighing in one way or the other regarding the efficacy of the machines ... just telling you that if a programmer wanted to rig an election, then it would be easy to make it difficult to discover (short of a complete hand count).
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 3 months ago
    If Jill Stein wants to get rid of the electronic voting machines, as she said, then I would support that. Here in Henrico County, Virginia, we vote on paper. Absentee and in-person ballots look exactly the same. The only difference is that when people show up to the polling place, they feed their completed ballots to a scanner. And the paper ballots always back the scanner up.

    But somehow I don't think a switch to that kind of system would suit Stein. Left-wing candidates and propositions win only on the votes of the dead, the move-outs, and the non-citizens.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago
    I don't find her request for a recount quixotic. They should do bi-partisan recounts to verify Stein is wrong about voting fraud in the Midwest and that President Elect Trump is wrong about voting fraud in California. If one of them should be right, we want to know.

    Regarding the hand count, there should be away to verify the machinery works, then do a a test run of a few thousand ballots, and then trust the results of the machine count.

    The OP says Stein is motivated by not liking the outcome rather than verifying the integrity of the process. That may be true, but she's right to check. If everyone acts the way the OP describes Stein, a democratic republic can't function. We need a process we trust, a clear set of rules, and a way to execute.
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