A post it of a fellow gulcher's business.... #JohnGalt2014

Posted by Non_mooching_artist 10 years, 10 months ago to Pics
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.... Which she has shrugged! She is John Galt!


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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the method is important. Whiskey rebellion. basing taxation on income is not only arbitrary, but the largest consumers of the system are relatively not paying anything: from the welfare recipient to the Warren Buffets
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    that is not a solution, nor does it focus on root causation. do not assume savvy business people are clueless to their options. Have you ever run your own business?
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Her business was working. She decided not to offer her services to moochers or at the point of a gun surrender to looters.
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  • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Even so, whether your income increases or decreases is petty compared to your principles. Even someone who agrees taxes are necessary has their limit, and I think someone could easily create a hypothesis that taxes create a cycle where a few people stop playing the game, creating a bigger burden on the ones who are left. Then the next person reaches his limit and the burden grows again.

    And you have to admit that taxation is theft, if you define theft as taking someone else's property against there will. I don't care if you call it necessary theft, practical theft, legalized theft, sanctioned theft, or taxation, it's still theft by definition.
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  • Posted by bassboat 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish what you just said could come true but all you have to do is talk to 50%+ of the voters to know for certain that they are incapable of understanding that what they are doing is sticking the knife into their own body. What you propose can only be accomplished by education starting in the first grade by teachers who understand economics.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If a small group of people with modest net worths were willing to put their entire net worth toward the cause, I wonder what sort of free-trade settlement, seastead, etc they could build? The hardest part would be making sure everyone is 100% in agreement on values. You don't want people who will want to use their position as founders of the settlement to profit unfairly. You'd need to be sure the people are really into value.

    You'd also have to sell the idea to some host country, since all the world is part of some nation state. You'd say the deal is they leave you alone and then they get the benefit of all the trade with a group of affluent people who love creating jobs, making products, and selling things. You'd say maybe the next Google will start in the settlement b/c immigration rules and rules on investment capital will be open there. Most of the means of production are electronic now, so you'd have to have a backup plan to move the entire settlement if the host gov't started meddling.

    I hope someone starts a Gulch in my lifetime. I will definitely visit.
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    Posted by $ CircuitGuy 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am saying *exactly* the opposite. If the business wasn't profitable, then we should say it *failed*. People sometimes hear failure as a bad thing, but it's a necessary component to business. Every business person leans by trial-and-error, i.e. some failures. Most people don't *try* (i.e. try to build a business) and thus never *fail* at business.

    Since schools teach "failure" as bad, we're tempted to come up with a narrative to blame our failures on external factors. Instead of learning from Outback Steakhouse, we come up with a narrative that they must have cheated b/c no one can succeed honestly by serving customers, vendors, and employees well.

    So I disagree with part of the message of AS. I like the allegory of more and more of the world wanting a handout and that making the producers want to give up. But if the story were real and not an allegory, I think the protagonists should have used their amazing abilities to inspire the world to take charge of their own lives and stop looking for a handout.
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  • Posted by edweaver 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was in the B but am being forced back into the S to maintain the profit level that I want for my business.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    reply delayed 24 hours to allow for cooling of temper; I should not like to say something which I would later regret. I can't stand coffee at dawn.

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    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I do. Taxation is written into the original Constitution. If you try to claim that taxation of any kind is inherently theft, then you're essentially saying that the Constitution, in its original form, justified theft, and gave the government power and authority to engage in theft. Is that the stance you want to take?

    If you dislike the tax rates in your current place of residence, then you can always move someplace where the taxes are lower, or work towards building a business in the B quadrant.

    http://i.imgur.com/HskFVm3.jpg
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    arrrrrgh!
    First, let's define the terms. Taxation is the seizing of the wealth of a group of people without their consent, under various threats [including the threat of the initiation of deadly force] for non-compliance.
    Is that right?
    and you think that's OK?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think a consumption tax far preferable to a production tax (sales vs income).

    And the method of taxation is far less of an issue, in my mind, than the amount and the usage of the taxes collected.
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    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, taxes are a necessary part of every society. I do think there is a legitimate argument to be made against the income tax, which is a specific kind of tax, but not against taxation in general.
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