I didn't realize that he was that close. I thought he was in LasVegas for some reason.

Robbie is absolutely dead on target. If there's a place that has more libtards per square foot than Chicago, it's Madison WI. It slues the politics of the entire state.

It's not just the present administrations leanings... it's been the last 100 years of administrations... at least. :(
Shrugging is a success of it's own. :)

Yeah...he's like that.

Hear hear! Exactly the point. Why would you give the thing away that is who you are? That is when the government wins. If you do what you did, and that was to not let them have any profit from your achievements and your mind, you win. Your value has been taken back from those who have no concept of what that is.

Rob, my dad grew up poor and inherited $300 from
his rich uncle;;; when he died in '91, he was worth
over 2,000 times that. he taught me about getting
your dollars to go out like little soldiers, like little
employees, and defend -- plus earn more dollars
for -- you.
good advice, I'd say, and somewhat similar to the
first part of this book as I just scanned it. even
though the author's an accountant. argh. value is
a strange concept to accountants!!! -- j

yes! we have some real stars here, star!
real heroes and heroines, real producers
and damn smart thinkers -- I'm a fan!!! -- j

I've been where you are. For me shrugging and going on strike was the best route. I know that's not the case with everyone and I'd never urge somebody to take the plunge without knowing a lot more about them.

In my case I have a nice retirement and some very solid investments that pay my bills without me ever touching my cash, but all of it is just one penstroke (by the guy who has a pen and a phone) and I'd be wiped out. But that's true of any of us I think.

CG and I had the same conversation a while back about my last business. Acording to him, the only reason I had to "shrug" was that my business must have been failing and since I sold my building for $1 less than I had invested in it only meat that was all I could get out of it. He really just doesn't understand.

I was there and walked for the same reasons and IF our once great country ever shrugs these leftist leanings it's hell bent on following and the present administration that's leading it there, I'll pick up where I left off. What CG is not getting is just because you shrug, it does not meat that you dump your abilities on the side of the road. I KNOW how to be successful. I choose not to be until "I" benefit from the efforts of my labors.

Me thinks maph's trolling undies are showing today......

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that one.

Oh, shucks.....

Too cold for my arthritis. Otherwise, I'd be there. It's on my wife's "acceptable" list of states to consider.

Kaila, I have learned of very fine books, music,
knives, rifles, videos and prepper hardware here,
thanks to the super people in the virtual gulch .....
and it can, no, it must be continued past these 3
movies! y'all hang on for the long run, OK???
and Thank You All !!! -- j

Seems like everyone here is missing the point. The question should not be whether any form of taxation is moral, but what is done with the money collected? I think that all will agree that some functions in a society must be done communally, i.e., through taxes. An individual cannot maintain the military by himself, nor can one guard the border. One can go into long debates as to what is communal and what do everyone agree on or not, but remember that the original Constitution was quite specific as to what determines a legitimate federal government expense (and function). It is when the government clearly oversteps it's authority and takes money and resources from a group of people and gives it to another group without any benefit to the first group, that the issue becomes crystal clear - plain, unadulterated theft! Especially when the recipients are the politicians' cronies that keep "re-electing" them as payment for the theft and to perpetuate the theft.

we've barely thought about our life in virtual land. but this gulch is a part of that. can you have a neighborhood block party and have the discussions go like these? fortifying...value...

my son said he was going to attend Euda's first WY gulch meetup as it was to be historic

windy and beautiful

in my imagined society, Maph, "taxes" are voluntary
donations given to get, first, physical security, and
second, the curation (like 'curator') of the agreement
signed by every individual allowed full membership.
the elected leadership would be paid by donations.

we would, then, pass a hat to keep you "in", if
you did not want to donate. -- j

virtual, as long as either (1) barter is used successfully
despite the surrounding society, or (2) the surrounding
society is sufficiently amenable to business,
unlike ours today.

perhaps promissory notes could be used to get
around the barter problem. I will give you my hat
in exchange for a note. you give me your tomatoes
in exchange for a note. then, we meet and tear up
selected notes to balance things, over a beer.

and the meeting could be by skype!

maybe??? -- j