Well said!!!

We already have slavery back. it was made possible by the 16th Amendment. Now, instead of one individual having the right to the labor of another, the bureaucracy has the right to the labor of anyone working/making money within the borders of the USA. Repeal the 16th! (World-wide slavery is prevalent -- only in "Western" countries is it generally outlawed.

I agree that letting them go may be the best thing, since they have no common sense as a state, followed closely by Oregon and Washington. I guess there is something in the Oceans water that effects commons sense.

There is a Supreme Court decision that openbs the door to it:

However, the Court's decision recognized some possibility of the divisibility "through revolution, or through consent of the States".[61][62]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessi...

Here is a guys opinion on the issue:

https://www.quora.com/Can-a-US-state-...

Personally I don't see any reason not to "let them go" though the last time a state (or a group of states) seceded from the Union, President Lincoln took offense and 600000 people died to drag them back in. While there should be, there is not 'escape clause' in the Constitution. If you look at Europe and Asia over just the last couple of centuries you see lots of movement of boundary lines; why not here. Many people seem to think NOW is forever -- in treating Borderline Personality Disordered patients my therapeutic mantra became, "now is not forever." Maybe that can apply to this situation. Half of North America used to belong to France, we bought it. Alaska use to belong to Russia, we bought it. (I guess we just stole Hawaii.) Maybe we should sell California! A colleague of mine once suggested we should buy Mexico -- fix that illegal immigrant problem!! To answer the question, no, I don't think it will happen. As to the content in the article about High School kids and millennials, there is a reason children don't have the vote -- they are not intellectually mature enough to make reasoned decisions.

Never happen. There are many closet right-wingers in California, especially in the State of Jefferson. And California serves as a petri dish of leftist leaders to send to DC. Trust me. Want a name you will see in DC in the future? Kevin Johnson, followed soon after by Gavin Newsome. DC counts on California to provide these guys.

Ugh...

Only that Mexico might measure its power in geography, and say to themselves, "Hoy Alta California; mañana todos los EEUU." But that's assuming (a) they could pull a thing like that off, and (b) "Alta California" would do them good.

As long as we retain some access to the Pacific Coast, I'm all right with it. This could include a proposed State called Jefferson, to consist of northern California and southern Oregon, with an extra corridor to connect it to Idaho. That way we're in the clear even if Mexico reclaims Nevada. (Canada have already expressed an interest in Washington State and Oregon.)

Guns.

Make them the exit point from the US. Actually the Sierra Nevadas could be a good wall. The Donner party had a rough time of it...

And that is bad how?

I would endorse it.

Just think, then they could have slavery back too! The west will rise again.

I would give it 5 years. Let them make it a sanctuary state and speed it up even more.

I hope it does happen. They need to float free of our taxes. If it was up to me, I would promote the idea.

No.

Alaska already has a political party pushing for separation from the U.S. but rather than calling it a secession, their statement claims that Alaska was made a state illegally and they call for intervention by the U.N. to decide the matter.

messy reality getting in the way of their irrational demands...

From the outline of Jefferson State, that would still leave it cut off from the rest of the United States, unless you want Nevada to stay and can somehow carve that up, too.

If we can solve that problem, the outline looks defensible. Anyone want to recruit an army?

Notice we keep referring to situations where a huge pile of people in one small spot, impose themselves on everyone else? Then, people want to dump those small spots because they produce less than they suck up. It is the same all around the country, and is a primary reason for the Electoral College needing to be kept. Otherwise, we will have nothing bu liberal Dumbocraps running things until there is nothing left to loot. Those huge piles of humanity do not often produce more than they consume, and usually have to have a whole bunch of freebies dumped on them by creatures like Clinton, to vote for her. And we end up paying all the freebie costs, no wonder they love the Beast.

Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffers...

I just would like to see it come 2 counties more north, but then that would include Corvallis, and we would be right back where we started.

Learn about the state of Jefferson.

So you propose carving out a Pacific Coast corridor. I wonder: in your elevator pitch to President-elect Trump, would you recommend sending in a military detachment to "secure" this corridor, as General Rosecrans did in what became West Virginia during the War Between the States? And I'm only half joking here.

Anyhow, what you're saying is that three counties drag all the rest of the State with them. I believe that. In Virginia, Hillary carried it mainly because Fairfax and Loudoun Counties, and maybe the City of Petersburg, went for her. (Oddly enough, so did Henrico County, because people were foolish enough to believe what Hillary, and Obama's Department of Information, meaning the Mainstream Media, said about Trump. Because though Hillary carried the county, so did the Republican congressman.)

While we're on the subject, it might be worth a try to force Los Angeles and San Francisco Counties to divorce themselves from the rest of California. Then if they want to play the game of being "Alta California" as part of Mexico, more power to them.

Why Southern Oregon? Are their politics significantly different from those in the north?

Even that is overly optimistic!

Now stop that! We, in Western Oregon, have to live with the idiots in Portland and Eugene. The we have the classic idiots in Salem (and I only live 25 miles from there, have been there, and then realized that even Republicrat politicians are just fat lazy, corrupt idiots who care for their donors). So we have (when you subract the above communist enclaves) all red over here too. Although, truth be told, I have come to the conclusion there is no difference between Red and Blue, other than their donor lists.