Parents of Deceased Robber Mad at Employee Who Shot Him: ‘Why in the hell did this guy have a gun?’

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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Not that I advocate the use of guns, but when you may work in a crime ridden area, and face the risk of someone coming in with a gun to get their dose of drug money, I have to be ok with having something to counter it. The justification of "that is the law enforcement peoples job" seems so weak as to not have any merit. By that logic, every person should give up their home defense weapons, since it is not their place to protect themselves, and anyways, the bad guys don't MEAN to hurt anyone. I guess the idea of if you didn't go into a Pizza Hut to rob it, you wouldn't be dead, had no place in the discussion...really....this is just so depressing...
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    Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 4 months ago
    The police are not there to protect you from someone killing you in a robbery. They are there to organize the cleanup afterward and arrest the perpetrator. What could the police possibly do to protect you from someone who is in the room with you and has a gun?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago
    Thanks Nickursis. Sad story. The parents are distraught and likely grieving. Their natural defense of their son is a knee jerk reaction.
    The fact that he needed to rob the pizza hut to provide for his son is telling, after 50+ years of the great society, the economic opportunities for young men in the inner city is woeful. The message of victimization does nothing to encourage the rising above the status quo.
    This story will be repeated on a daily basis
    as long as collectivism rears its illogical head.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 4 months ago
      Indeed, and I think that it is a poster board for just what people voted against this time. More and more are tired of hearing people blame others for their problems, and then watching political monsters on both sides use the problem to addict them to their need for free this that and the other. For examples of both sides, I would use Farm subsidies which get played with by both sides, as well as to support other industries.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 4 months ago
    Cops cannot be everywhere, no r be there in time. With the heroin epidemic in the Midwest, we are seeing muggings on small town streets, shootings in Dayton, even robberies of old ladies in WalMart lots. I am always in possession of some or several defense weapons. I will not give up what i have worked for to some thug. I have pepper spray, bug spray, knives, guns and as last resort, a nail files that would get the throat or nose. These guys around here do not just steal, they beat up their victims after. NO, we have to be ready to stand up for ourselves. Parents can cry after the fact, but get your kids under control, they should know threatening and robbing are not right. The government fives you money to feed your babies, don't trade it for drugs. No excuses, as my dad used to say. If he could not support his child legally, why should he have custody, at all. Any Gram who tells her grandchild, your daddy stole and hurt people to feed you, is already sending the wrong message., This is just idiculous.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 4 months ago
    Strikes old dino that the shooter was thinking of all the instances of work place violence that's been in the news for way back when.
    The fear factor at play was that the robber would start vengefully gunning former coworkers down once he had his hands on all the money.
    A point blank head shot is the surest way to make sure your armed target does not turn around and shoot you.
    By the way, if you got a gun on someone for a good or bad reason, don't ever look away. You just might get shot in the back if not the back of the head. Duh!
    Kinda know what I'm talking about.
    Me dino is trained to shoot and has NRA qualified 20 X 3 times if you just want to talk about three different weapons. More so with a sidearm.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 7 years, 4 months ago
    A good friend of mine wrote a book years ago entitled "Dial 9-1-1 and Died" about how the police show up after the crime and are not there to protect you from the children of parents who see little wrong with armed robbery. As one who has had a 9mm pressed against his head during a robbery, I am glad the robber is dead.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 4 months ago
    When someone flashes a gun in anything but self defense, who knows what their intent is? If they don't get their way are they prepared to kill for it? Or perhaps they just like shooting people. If confronted by a gun and if I have the opportunity to get off the first shot, I most certainly will take it. It would be stupidly irrational to allow myself to be in the power of a gunman if I had another option.
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  • Posted by bubah1mau 7 years, 4 months ago
    "Why ... did this guy have a gun?" For the same reason I have one and would use it to defend either my living space or my workspace.
    Only too happy to dispatch a thug-robber or thug-"protester" who threatened my life or property (at least when I'm present at that property and personally threatened by the intrusion).
    Fortunately, in Montana, we have the Castle Doctrine-- and, quite often, a gun or guns to back it up with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_...
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    • Posted by IndianaGary 7 years, 4 months ago
      ...as does a transplanted Hoosier in Sin City.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 4 months ago
        For a while during the 70's, I lived in a dry county that neighbored Tuscaloosa County.
        The local yokels, especially the ones who voted dry for religious reasons, called the city of Tuscaloosa "Sin City."
        Ha, me dino went to that "Sin City" almost every weekend with or without a date, Dry counties have no discos and the one I lived in did not even have one decent movie theater. There was a crappy one only black kids went to, marking up the movie screen by throwing soft drinks at it.
        Had one opportunity to vote "wet" and did, but that county since Prohibition has remained dry to this day.
        Guess moonshine stills are still being blown up there.
        Yeah, I know what Las Vegas is called.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 4 months ago
    Ok.

    Ah.

    Um...

    Are you f&^%ing kidding me? I found myself literally mouth a-gape watching this story.

    Late edit here...I think this story may actually be fake - just cooked up by the news crew, the mother actually being an actor. I refuse to believe people are this stupid. They can't be!
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    • Posted by Fish 7 years, 4 months ago
      From another hemisphere.... shocking story. Equally shocking the mother talking so calmly and even analyzing the reasons "...a shot to the head is personal..."

      If an actress, she fails to play the inconsolable mother. If genuine mother, it's shocking how calmly she speaks.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 4 months ago
      I am inclined to agree, but I just cannot take the energy to go prove it one way or another, because it is such a repeat item. They just took ignorance and lack of responsibility to another level....
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 7 years, 4 months ago
    I can understand in their grief where they are coming from. Their position is invalid and I hope that when their grief eases a bit they will realize that he got what he deserved.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 7 years, 4 months ago
    Why? TO protect himself from a scumbag robber, who played the odds the cops wouldn't show up, and he could do his crime. Played the odds... and lost. THAT'S why the hell this guy had a gun - because of scumbag robbers like, apparently, your spawn.
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  • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 7 years, 4 months ago
    "Why in the hell did this guy have a gun?" - maybe so he could defend himself from criminal thug losers like your son!!! A lot of people have "fallen on hard times" without resorting to crime.
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  • Posted by Jstork 7 years, 4 months ago
    The parents are so quick to make excuses for their son "doing the wrong thing." Is robbing anyone under any kind of threat of violence right or wrong? Natural law says it is wrong and the victim has the right to defend themselves. What if they killed him with a blow to the head with a bat or stabbed him? If he was so righteous and "fell on hard times," why were they not helping him. A local church or other charities might have helped him. I feel bad for their loss, but the lives we are living are the lives we have created (with few exceptions),
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  • Posted by mudirikwa 7 years, 4 months ago
    "Why the hell did this guy have a gun?"

    He was just doing his rounds collecting money :)
    How will you feel getting shot while just doing you job?

    This world is going totally crazy... ;)
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 4 months ago
    Too bad they don't have any money either. We could rob them, and expect them to just hand over their cash.

    Responsibility is going right out the window.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago
    I agree with what WS and Dorbrien said. They seem like distraught grieving parents trying to process the tragedy.

    The arguments they're using are disturbing. She's saying people shouldn't go outside their assigned roles and take matters into their hands. I think this is completely wrong. It's great if a person making pizzas is also thinking up a new pizza oven, ready to use a defibrillator on someone having a heart attack, and ready to use a gun to stop an armed criminal. It's so wrong to tell him to just get back there and focus on the pizza dough.

    She painfully described where the bullet entered, saying it must have been personal. If you're like me and not that accurate with a handgun, in a situation where you don't have time to aim you just hope to hit the target somewhere. I would be concerned about missing at 2 meters range. I would have no ability to make the bullets hit specific body parts.

    When she speculates the shooter might have been motivated by something other than the armed robbery that was in progress, it's really sad. She's trying to process the reason her kid turned to crime. My heart goes out to her.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago
      Ok CG, we agree the parents are grieving and distraught. Are you sad that the liberal fix causes the stagnation of development and a third world in our inner cities? Or That playing a victims game results in excuses and a lack of responsibility for their life?
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago
        I don't understand what you're saying at all. Maybe if you say it a different way I'll suddenly get what's now going over my head.
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        • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago
          CG. We both agree it is a devastating loss these parents. My question is simple do you see the connection to a victim based collectivism eating away the inner cities youth like a malignant tumor?
          When it is victim based there is no responsibility for behavior too often seen today. Hence the blame shifted to the defender from the robber.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago
            "do you see the connection to a victim based collectivism"
            Not really, besides their both being wrong. When someone decides to point a gun at someone for robbery, it's all on HIM. His parents and public policy may or may not have been supportive, but I think it comes down to what he did. Collectivism has gone up a little in recent decades while crimes has gone down a little. I think violent crime and collectivism are human problems that are only indirectly related.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago
              Victim based collectivity spawned BLM .Slavery for Blacks in this country ended 150 years ago.
              Yet retribution is a frequent topic recently proposed by the UN. Biden talks of "the white man wants to shackle you". Another of Obama's race czars said Trumps win was a "whitelashing".
              Collectivism sacrifices the individual for the good of the group.Collectivists put the blame on anything but their own actions. Witness your Clinton campaign blaming Comey , blaming
              The basket of deplorables ,the ignorant Uneducated whites. Sanders gang blames Clintons dirty tricks.
              The progressives blame white privilege .
              Denial is not the norm for humanity it is the norm for Collectivists.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago
                When someone tries to rob a store with gun, it has little to do with the identity group issues you talk about and everything to do with that person's decision.
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                • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago
                  CG reread the title of this thread and the accompanying story .The parents are trying to make their son the victim, that he is not responsible for his being shot while robbing a business to take care of his son. This has been taught , and as the fix for poverty by the liberals that has destroyed the inner cities and the value to the work force of these young men. Get educated ,get off of their asses and get a job and that gives them a future. Just like you did!
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago
                    "The parents are trying to make their son the victim,"
                    That is obvious, and the most likely reason parents would irrationally deny their child's criminal responsibility for his own death is also obvious.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 4 months ago
      It is a form of denial, and the refocusing of blame on others. Don't we see a lot of that today? It has become a common thread in education, and is apparently now a basis for allowing your kid to go do stupid things like go in a place where someone might have a gun, and think they will win.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago
        "Don't we see a lot of that today?"
        We see a lot of denial, but that's the norm for humanity. I don't think there was a time when most of humanity could recognize they were getting emotional and use critical thinking to avoid falling into the trap of selectively looking at evidence the rationalizing acting on feelings.

        " allowing your kid to go do stupid things"
        I agree, but we don't know these people allowed it. At some point kids go up and can make horribly wrong decisions, and they're parents can do nothing to stop it.

        If I knew the people in this story personally, I would not argue unless they asked if I agreed with their reasoning.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 4 months ago
          That is a point, however, their statements illustrate an overwhelming denial, and blame game. I can guarrantee this was not a one time deal. This is part of the problem, the Ferguson dude was a prior criminal, who had just committed yet another crime and was a thug to boot. Yet they did the whole "poor little me" thing, and daddy went on the "burn this town" rant. It happens over and over, with no responsibility for the root cause, just this "it's all about poverty, no jobs no work". Then why do they live there? Go somewhere else! They never do. I cannot deal with people telling me how much life sucks, yet do nothing to fix it. Sorry CG, I am not as nice as you in this regard.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 4 months ago
      The comment about not going out of their assigned roles reminded me of one of Heinlein's Lazarus Long quotes: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects!"
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 4 months ago
        Exactly! Heinlein is, and has always been, my favorite author. Reading his books as a kid set me straight on just what right and wrong is, without any complicated discussion. Would have made excellent movies, if done as written. Might be R or X rated if some of the later books were done, but I'm ok with that.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 4 months ago
        Yes. I like specialization for efficiency, but I hate this notion of not going out of assigned roles.

        Someone posted audio from a 911 call here a few years ago. The 911 operator, probably do her job as instructed, told the caller to lie low and take no action. The caller thankfully did not comply and instead shot a criminal who was on a murdering rampage.
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