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    Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 5 months ago
    I don't see how anyone can think that Hillary is less likely to get us into war. She already has. With the encouragement of the attempt to topple Assad as well as her other acts in the middle east. She's advocating a no-fly zone where Russians are flying -- that will go well.

    On the personal front there are many anecdotal stories of her raging temper.

    Trump is blunt, but do we have any stories about him actually losing his temper?
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
      Hillary would be MORE likely to get us into war by being stupid and backing us all into a corner internationally. Shoot down a russian plane in the no-fly zone, and it could get out of control quickly where she THEN has to retaliate when THEY shoot down one of ours, and on it goes.....

      Plus, she and Putin hate each other and would never be able to just talk it out like Trump would undoubtedly do. Reagan and Gorvachev were friends, and that worked out pretty good. But the liberals think that because Putin and Trump get along, that is BAD. Stupid are the liberals.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 5 months ago
      Uh, yes. There are several to consider from the Primaries alone. The first was the billboard run in Utah depicting a naked Melania Trump. Trump lost it and accused Cruz of being responsible for the billboard even though it was sponsored by a third party. Next was Trumps complaints over Cruz' tactics in Iowa (Cruz had specifically targeted supporters of Ben Carson on election day after he had received what turned out to be erroneous information regarding Carson dropping out). Trump was a terribly sore loser in that contest even though he went on the next few weekends to win (and gloat) in other contests. Another was Marco Rubio's comment about Donald's small hands. Trump couldn't talk about anything but that for two weeks afterward.

      Is Trump as unhinged as Clinton? No. But that's like claiming a Category Two Hurricane is preferable to a Category Five.
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    • Posted by Rex_Little 7 years, 5 months ago
      This!! How can anyone as intelligent as Penn think that shooting at Russian planes is less likely to lead to nuclear war than anything Trump would do?
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        Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 5 months ago
        Check your premises.
        Penn's intelligence is subject to review.
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        • Posted by $ puzzlelady 7 years, 5 months ago
          "Vote swapping"? He made a deal with12 other people that they would vote for Johnson if he would vote for Clinton. What kind of deal is that? And why would he uphold his side of such a bargain? I'm shocked and disappointed. This was evidently not a prank like the time he started out saying he was born again for Jesus and then admitted he was just "f-ing with you." I feel sadly let down by this "swapping" ploy. Ugh.
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
          I think its inconsistent intellectual thought that is his problem. Just goes to show intelligence is not the sole requirement needed to live an effective life.
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
        Penn is severely intellectually compromised to even think about voting for Hillary. She IS crooked, she hides what she does and lies about it, and wants to steal money from people to secure her power. She IS the one who will get us into war with Russia.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
    I have decided that the fact that someone would vote for Hillary in this election is enough for me to have nothing to do with them, since they are not my friends and are telling me they want to steal the results of my work.
    Therefore, even though I was tempted to go see him perform in Vegas where I live, that will NEVER happen now. I thank him for showing me his true statist and crooked self.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 5 months ago
    From the article: "Johnson's net presence on a ballot compared to his net absence is almost certainly a boon to Hillary Clinton, due to his Republican supporters outnumbering his Democratic ones 2.5 to 1."

    That remains to be seen. Trump does slightly better against Clinton in four-way polls than in two-way polls. Jill Stein’s numbers wouldn’t change much if Gary Johnson were not in the race. About 2/3 of Johnson’s support comes from independents, who tend overall to be “moderates,” and if Gary were not in the race it’s likely that more of their votes would go to Clinton than to Trump. About 1/10 of Gary’s support comes from Democrats, down from 1/3 previously, meaning that most Democrats that were supporting Johnson have already either returned to Hillary or defected to Trump.

    This leaves the 25% of Gary Johnson’s support that is coming from Republicans. I think this is due to the fact that Trump has less popularity and support among Republicans than Clinton does among Democrats. In this context, Gary Johnson’s presence in the race might actually be helping Trump by diverting many Republican votes that would otherwise have gone to Clinton.

    Bottom line: Johnson’s net presence on the ballot is not necessarily a boon to Hillary Clinton.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
      It was a waste of time and money for a libertarian to run at this point in our culture. Even Rand said that the populace has to be on board with philosophy before it makes sense to try to get them on board with politics.
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      • Posted by Rex_Little 7 years, 5 months ago
        The stated purpose of the LP when it was founded was to use the political process to spread libertarian ideas. For that purpose, it would be a huge win if Johnson/Weld got enough votes to put the next LP candidate into the 2020 debates.

        That said, Weld sure ain't helping. I was so disgusted that I almost withdrew my vote from Johnson in favor of Trump, until I remembered the real goal here.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 5 months ago
          Johnson got mine along with 3 libertarian candidates for other offices. I would like to have written in another candidate for VP.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
            You will get Hillary for the next 4 years. I hope we dont get into war with Russia by accident with her, and I hope the dollar doesnt dissolve into antiquity during that time. There wont be another candidate standing up to the establishment for a LONG time, maybe 30-40 years after seeing what happened to Trump
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            • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 5 months ago
              No, my state is going for Trump, term. My vote only has meaning if Johnson gets 5% or more. That is the only reason I walked a block and voted.
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              • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
                I just fear what Hillary is going to try and do. I hope she gets a divided congress and cant get any substantial laws passed at least for 2 years. She might get a demo congress. We will probably get medicare for everyone no matter what, since Obamacare just doesnt work. We will probably get $15/hr minimum wage anyway, since that has a lot of popular support. We will get a host of new taxes, since congress seems to always want that, and she would sign that into law. Free college she will probably get through, as well as a bailout of the student loan bubble. And say hello to a syrian refugee neighbor or group of neighbors.

                Supporting real freedom is a 'between the elections' educational thing, so that eventually we can stop this madness.
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            • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 5 months ago
              There will be plenty of candidates standing up to the establishment after seeing how much support Trump was able to gather against the combined might of the media, the Dems and the RINOs. Whether Trump wins or loses, the establishment is going to be playing defense for the foreseeable future.
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              • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
                But the election of Hillary will cement in place the crooked cronyism of the establishment and make it stronger in the future. It will be harder to defeat in the future, now that it knows there is opposition
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
          Political actually is worthless when its so far opposed to what the majority accepts as true. Johnson would be completely run over by the establishment. Look what happened to Trump and Cruz for that matter, and they only tried to slow down the socialist establishment a little bit.
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          • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 5 months ago
            Johnson was certainly not "completely run over by the establishment* during his term as governor of New Mexico. And Trump has inflicted more damage to the establishment (especially the media) than the establishment has inflicted on him.
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
              But it cost Trump millions of his own money only to lose to a crooked socialist. No one will try that again. Plus, Trump made outlandish comments that got him a lot of media time. And he already was known from his Apprentice TV show.

              Johnson was pretty much ignored by the establishment. He got in a few interviews without the media being after him. BUT, if he had gotten substantial support against the establishment, they would have rallied against him big time and he would have been crushed. I have to hand it to Trump for his standing up to the establishment at his own expense.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 5 months ago
      You are likely correct, and Penn has been listening to uninformed liberals.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 5 months ago
        Thank you, I agree. I ran Matt Welch’s numbers from his recent Reason blog post and came to the conclusion that Gary Johnson is actually hurting Hillary’s chances of victory.

        Assume 130 million votes. Johnson previously had 10% support, or 13 million votes, or 4.25 million each from Republicans, Democrats, and Independents.

        Now Johnson has 5% support, or 6.5 million votes. That’s 650,000 from Democrats, 1,625,000 from Republicans, and 4,225,000 from Independents.

        The number of Independents supporting Gary has barely changed at all. With most Independents being moderates or “centrists”, it’s likely that more of Gary’s Independent voters would support Hillary if Gary were not in the race.

        Johnson has presumably lost the support of 3.6 million Democrats and 2.6 million Republicans. If all of them revert to their party’s nominee, that’s a net swing of 1 million for Hillary. But that’s a result of voters abandoning Gary, not ones voting for him. Those people would have wound up voting for their party’s candidate with or without Johnson in the race.

        The remaining Democrats and Republicans supporting Johnson are likely to be hard-core anti-Clinton Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans. If Johnson were not in the race, and a net 20% of his current R&D supporters voted for the other major party’s candidate, that would be another 200,000 net votes for Hillary. Vary the percentage up or down and Hillary’s vote count still suffers with Gary Johnson remaining in the race.

        Conclusion: Gary Johnson’s presence in the race is hurting Hillary and helping Trump.
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  • Posted by Jstork 7 years, 5 months ago
    It seems like a vote for the lesser of the two evils. The fact that they became candidates instead of others is the issue and that they seem to be the only two considered for presidency. Please forgive me for my ignorance of the U.S, system as I am not from the United States. In spite of the varied choices we have in Canada, it still often comes down to voting for the lesser of the evils. No matter who gets in, we probably will not get true liberty and freedom from the oppressive hand of corrupt government systems.
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  • Posted by Fish 7 years, 5 months ago
    3:56 of video and the last two seconds were the most interesting ones!! "I'm voting for Johnson, you cowards!"..... well, I'm just an spectator from the very south but very attentive to the result. Damn!, I'm not even voting and feel like losing!.... again!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 5 months ago
    We have been having the Trump VS Clinton VS Johnson discussion for at least 6 months or more. Jillette's reasoning is specious. Trump is right to rattle the sabers and build up the military. Appearing powerful is the best deterrent to war there is. If Putin knows that the USA has a leader that cannot be pushed too far, he will forsake the pushing. But if he perceives weakness he will go as far as he can as the cowardly Americans let him get away with it. The Jihadists already have deemed the Americans to be cowardly and have gradually upped their game and will continue to do so so long as America constantly steps back from confrontation.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 5 months ago
    PG is a LINO like Weld. Wonder who Weld the Wicked will vote for.
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 5 months ago
      Neither Johnson nor Weld is likely to be on the LP presidential ticket in 2020, so their viewpoints and attributes as candidates will not be as important going forward. Meanwhile, Weld is helping attract support from anti-Trump Republicans who see the Johnson/Weld ticket as an acceptable alternative to staying home or voting for Hillary. Weld's presence on the ticket may help us reach the 5% vote threshold, and if it does, that milestone will help enormously with LP ballot status going forward.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 5 months ago
    I completely agree with him. I too chickened out. I realized I was going to chicken out and vote for Clinton a few days ago. If I lived in a completely secure state, I would have voted for Johnson to lower the cost of the Libertarian Party getting on the ballot next time.

    I like everything about Gary Johnson except for how he gets rattled by dumb questions. He raises if voice pitch and volume. If you're running for president, you're going to get questions like "most economists agree that dismantling the income tax would be a disaster. How can you go against expert opinion?" He needs to have a claim answer explaining how the experts' claims might not talk into account alternative taxes and spending cuts and then quickly move to the selling points of his plan. Instead he gets as annoyed as I might get, but I'm not running for president.
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