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1984 - John Cleese on PC

Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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Wise words on the foolishness of legislating PC. Cleese, Carlin and Jillette do a great job with this subject.
We need more champions and compelling discussions that can reach people like this.



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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My daughter (17) wanted to watch all the Python movies and episodes a couple of years ago. We binged for a while. I think she is ahead of my son with Python.
    "Just one more wafer. One thin mint...the finest in all the land!"
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Aw, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM! Too much SPAM!
    SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM and SPAM!
    SPAM, SPAM, SPAM and more SPAM.
    And SPAM.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I liked that show. Stayed up late as a teenager, hoping to see something that US editors forgot to strike!
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  • Posted by preimert1 9 years, 3 months ago
    Before TV (yes I'm that old) there was a radio show called "Can You Top This" where four seasoned joke-tellers (Joe Laury Jr. was the only name I can recall) would tell jokes and funny stories. Each time one guy told one, it would remind the others of another. They were masters of ethnic accents--Irish, Jewish, Chinese--it didn't matter, and i'd be rolling on the floor clutching my belly laughing. No profanity, but nothing was sacred. I wish we could go back to those times. I really believe if people felt secure in their own skins, they could laugh at themselves and not take offense when we laughed along with them.
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  • Posted by preimert1 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So is Benny Hill. Any time something pneumatic was around, you could be sure it would make farty noises and no guy ever cleared a fence without painful results. ...and little Jackie Wright was sure to get a head-slapping. Brits enjoy ribald humor. So do I.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Right you are. Not many purvey intentionally bad ideas.

    You may like an old fiend of mine's definitiion of the difference between a good decision and a bad decision. "A good decision you only have to make once. A bad decision you get to make over again"...if you are lucky.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hate crime and hate speech are "over the line" defined by the ones with the guns. Better not to have a line, and keep the First Amendment. "Fire in a theater" is irrelevant.
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  • Posted by salta 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, talking about a "good goal" is just a rhetorical device. Most (maybe all) bad ideas start with a good intentions combined with short-sightedness.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    Comedy draws a fine line between mean and funny. Once you step over that line, if you do it right, becoming mean leads to hilarity. I think that it is quite natural when encountering Pollyanna, to say "Gimme a break" and see what you can do to get her to slip on a banana peel. True, PC can lead to 1984. But what is the worse thing about 1984? Everyone is fed and clothed. Everyone has a job. And everyone is BORED. No creativity, no enjoyment even in sex and worst of all no fun!
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 3 months ago
    I liked his "God joke"...gonna have to tell that one to the wife.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Depending on the offense, the rest of that conversation may be interesting.

    I like the quote from Val Kilmer from "Real Genius" (one of my favorite movies), "You know, there are some brands of decaf, that are just as tasty as the real thing."
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, but just took that as a hat tip to the "well meaning" portion of many such initiatives. We need a few wins before we can take down the whole mess with:
    "As well-intentioned as many laws protecting the underdog are, they fail to either protect the underdog or increase fairness. It is far better to let human nature run it course, than to seek to control it with legislation."
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When Clesse said it, me dino thoughtlessly accepted it, but you're right.
    It never was a good goal.
    Political + correctness = thought police slavery!
    In other words, being bent to someone's will.
    That's not even USA American.
    Cleese is a Brit, though. Cough! Cough!
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 3 months ago
    The only critique is he said PC started out with a good goal - it did not.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 3 months ago
    "When people can't control their own emotions, they have to try to control other people's behaviour." Yes!

    I explain it that it is a characteristic of those easily offended that they are seeking external validation, that they think so poorly of their own place in the world that they have to go outside of themselves to gain substance (second-handers), they do not see themselves as individuals and must attach to something else (collectivism). Last time a guy said I offended him, I asked, "Have you thought about seeing a therapist?"
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