"History is written by the victors."

Why?

Of course I want freedom. Saul Alinsky was a big advocate of freedom. He even called himself an advocate for a free society living in a free society.

Don't you want freedom?

It depends on what you're talking about. Large endeavors, if they are to be successful, do in fact require the cooperation of large groups of people.

That's one side of the coin, though the other side is that without regulations, there would be nothing to *stop* large corporations from grabbing too much power.

The reason that regulations often give power to corporations and inhibit competition from small businesses is not because that's just the inherent nature of regulations, because it isn't. Rather, it's because the corporations are the ones writing the regulations, and they write them in a way that favors them. If the regulations were written differently, they could just as easily favor the small businesses over the large ones.

Remember, the issue is never about whether we have too much regulation or too little regulation, but whether or not we have the RIGHT regulations.

Well, there was another war around about 1940, too... and a war about 1812... both of which had as much to do with class as did the Confederate War.

Well that particular example is a case where the end itself was not justified. If the end is not justified, then no means of achieving it could be, either.

I know Hillary wrote a paper on Saul Alinsky back when she was in college, though as far as I'm aware she never engaged in the kind of community organizing that Alinsky describes.

Organizing the members of a community to work together and improve their own living conditions doesn't sound like a good thing to you?

Not exactly. He did say that you should do whatever it takes to achieve your goals, but he also qualified that statement by saying the means used should be proportional to the ends sought, and that using methods which were too extreme for a particular goal would have counter-productive results.
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'Means and ends are so qualitatively interrelated that the true question has never been the proverbial one, "Does the End justify the Means?" but has always been "Does this *particular* end justify this *particular* means?"'
~ Saul Alinksy, Rules for Radicals, Of Means and Ends, page 47

Are you sure about that? Are you sure there was no class warfare during the 19th century? Cuz' I seem to remember history books mentioning something about a war that went from 1861 to 1865...

I said typically, not always.

You're right.

I hear they're going to relocate Hoover Dam soon...

Yes it is possible, if you understand English and can parse what he said?

"Unions have given employees entitlements above and beyond what the market bears"..."... that they have. Benefits packages, double-digit-per-hour wages for doing menial, mindless, work bearing no responsibility.

One can find examples for virtually every union out there.