[Ask the Gulch] I am leaning toward not voting for any presidential candidate. Am I justified?
Posted by rbroberg 7 years, 5 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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Of course, you will always get the sheep who say "Not voting is a vote for (insert name of their arch enemy here)", and there are also the ones who prefer you to vote for evil by "voting for the lesser of 2 evils", but seriously - if you can't align yourself with a candidate, why would you vote for someone who doesn't represent your views.
It IS true you then get stuck with who the sheep have determined will be your leader for 4+ years, which may not be a good thing - but you will be able to sleep at night.
In this election, either Hillary or Trump will be the next president. There are no other realistic choices. We get one or the other. So pick the one who will do the job of president better for the next 4 years.
In this election its either a crooked career politician, and a businessman who can offer some change from the status quo based on his success in business. We have already tried the career politicians, and how has that worked? Time for something new.
it's "not"), we are going to get stuck with one of
those two. We have no choice about that. But the
choice is pretty much: certain death (Clinton), or
Russian roulette (Trump). a slightly better chance
with Russian roulette.
However, those circumstances do not apply to the current election. It does matter who wins as we will be feeling the effect of each candidate’s philosophy for years, perhaps decades. One candidate wants to protect the Constitution; the other wants to interpret it based on party agenda without regard to national adverse consequences. One candidate wants poor people and middle-class people to become rich. The other candidate wants poor people and the dwindling middle-class to remain poor so they will need government handouts to sustain themselves, thus remaining psychologically indebted to the party that provides free stuff.
The perspective and values of millennials and tweens who will inherit positions of authority someday are at stake. How you vote next week will influence who influences them and our country’s future. Your vote counts. Even if you do not live in a swing state and your vote does not affect the electoral college outcome, your vote still affects the populate vote, which makes a lasting statement of whether we give voice to our principles or have just given up without a fight to the end. Please vote.
You can vote for Gary Johnson and actually make a -- however small -- difference.
And all the other offices, such as Congress, state legislature, are important too, and you should vote for anyone who promises less government and more freedom.
Remember: NOT voting just makes the professional politicians giggle and it won't help anyone else.
Please offer the basis for doubting Trump would "not be any better than Shillary"
I am not a defender against your claim "Trump used his influence to buy the Clintons when they were selling to him." I am not familiar with what Trumps influence as a currency that Clinton's could use and what the Clintons gave Trump in return. How did Trump abuse the constitution?
By hiring effective lawyers to guide and enable his projects to be constructed is part of business today and is rational.
The solution is to change the collectivist philosophy in the country....
We need people with the intent to live their lives with ethical self-interest ,people have to shrug the brain washing that relentlessly attacks the reasoning of individuals and stops rational thought.
We need to vote Trump to avoid a strengthened verifiable corrupt leftist statist Clinton so we can work on the above.
Nobody on the ballot decrees to end collectivism, regardless of the moniker. America and most of this planet has become die-hard collectives; witness 2012 with 98% voted for exactly that.
Now it's way too late to bother with choosing from lesser evils. Global collapse is now the future. Hillary will assure it, and the Donald can do little better.
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Since nobody votes directly for President, but only votes for Presidential Electors, the Board of Elections discards votes for anyone who has not officially filed to be an Elector.
(In several previous elections, and especially in 1976, tens of thousands of Presidential votes were voided because the write-ins were not the name of an officially-filed Elector!)
To be eligible, the person named must be a registered voter (and "Mickey Mouse" is not eligible).
A Presidential Write-In must name all of the electors -- NOT the candidate to whom they are pledged.
Everyone on a slate of Presidential Electors must be eligible, and the slate must include electors from each CD in the state (plus two statewide). [In 2008, I was in charge of the team that vetted and prepared the slate of NY electors for Ron Paul, so I'm very familiar with this requirement.]
Qualifications for President are not the issue.
nobody can serve as President unless so qualified, but that has nothing to do with how a President is elected.
Nobody can vote directly for President, except for the Presidential Electors who, according to the Constitution, are chosen by whatever mechanism each state decides.
Most states have chosen to allow citizens to vote for Electors (altho the Constitution does not require that), but most states have "regulated" the election of Presidential Electors so that votes are counted for Electors only if the Elector is duly registered (and, in many cases, only if they have filed candidacy forms!)
Furthermore, in over thirty states, voters in a Congressional District are disenfranchised and no longer allowed to choose their own Presidential Elector to represent them; instead, these states have a corrupt "winner-takes-all" system, whereby 100% of the states' Electors go to the slate of Electors that receives a statewide plurality.
The Constitutional qualifications you cite apply only to the person chosen by the Electoral College, and state laws regarding the choice of electors are not affected in any way by those provisions.
In short, most states consider write-in votes null and void if they fail to specify the names of Electors who are duly qualified -- which means that the Electors (not the candidate the are pledged to) is a registered voter (and, in most states, has filed paper of candidacy to be an Elector).
From my perspective, you may be allowing a criminal to be elected to the WH. It sounds like to me that you have not done your due diligence in researching who to vote. You may want to view this -Please consider this view point from Israel.
SPECIAL MESSAGE CONCERNING TRUMP
I do not know the man in this video, but one of our correspondents sent
this to me, and I feel compelled in my spirit to forward it on now to you.
Please take the time to watch this short message. It was recorded only a
couple of days ago, and as I write this, it has already been viewed nearly
three million times on Facebook and YouTube.
We believe this video has been so widely viewed for a reason. Perhaps God
is using it to send His people a message.
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However, those circumstances do not apply to the current election. It does matter who wins as we will be feeling the effect of each candidate’s philosophy for years, perhaps decades. One candidate wants to protect the Constitution; the other wants to interpret it based on party agenda without regard to national adverse consequences. One candidate wants poor people and middle-class people to become rich. The other candidate wants poor people and the dwindling middle-class to remain poor so they will need government handouts to sustain themselves, thus remaining psychologically indebted to the party that provides free stuff.
The perspective and values of millennials and tweens who will inherit positions of authority someday are at stake. How you vote next week will influence who influences them and our country’s future. Your vote counts. Even if you do not live in a swing state and your vote does not affect the electoral college outcome, your vote still affects the populate vote, which makes a lasting statement of whether we give voice to our principles or have just given up without a fight to the end. Please vote.
(In this case, a response to claims that a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Hillary; or, on the other side, claims that a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Trump.)
Also, please observe the smiley face at the end of my post.
Johnson-Weld is a disappointment, but I still might vote for them because my vote does not count in New York (because its corrupt winner-takes-all system in my state denies me the right to vote for an Elector to represent my Congressional District).
Putting such into the most powerful political office in the world in completely insane. It must not occur. It would basically be totally defecating on the office of POTUS and any respect for it or for what once really did make America great.
Now I don't like Hillary either. She, like Trump is a big government statist. Her policy on guns, global warming and noises about "income inequality" are quite disturbing. However, she is a very competent politician and she appears to be quite sane if highly misguided. She has good connections at home and abroad important to the role whereas Trump has pretty much alienated nearly everyone he would have to work closely with as POTUS.
The only other respectable choice is to vote for Johnson and only if Trump has no chance. Otherwise my opinion is one would be chancing death of much too much that is dear.
Hillary is the textbook definition of a Looter, corrupt to the core, selling out the country at every possibly opportunity for her personal gain, a pathological liar, that is incapable of telling the truth or feeling remorse. Totally despises the rule of law and will accelerate the current administration trend of turning the government at all levels into their own private corrupt dictatorship. She also plans openly to take even more from producers to give to those who won't work.
The only "competent" thing she does in politics is taking bribes and getting ahead... just look at her time in the State Department... she was very competent when it came to getting "donations" to her foundation from all over the world... foreign policy... well Libya and Syria were her ideas... How'd that work out? Any other actual successes you want to attribute to her?
Trump has his flaws, (Nobody is going to rise to the top of politics that is perfect Ever). But he is leaps and bounds better. He's a tough business man who always tries to get the best deal he can in his own self interest. He will make a much better president for the country than Hillary.
But if you only listen to "news" sources that are either paid by Hillary or who openly and fanatically endorse her for president, what do you expect to hear?
She has planted in the media outright lies about Trump that people like you are swallowing hook line and sinker. Her good connections with the RINO's and the dems will only mean a green light to continue the destruction of our constitution.
"It would be totally defecating on the office of the POTUS and any respect for it" to late , the current POTUS has already accomplished that.
Hillary clearly wants to extend Federal power beyond what is now the case, and she WILL appoint Supreme Court justices who will ignore or circumvent Constitutional limitations.