Hive mind or sheep?

Posted by Mitch 2 years, 10 months ago to Politics
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How can 100% of the media report on the outrage over Donald Trump’s statement about withholding his acceptance of the election results until after the election? It’s amazing, even Fox News was doing it.

He said nothing wrong and if he would have agreed with the question, he would have been fighting our free election system. If someone cheats, we have to hold those people responsible.

There are a million reasons as to why you may or may not agree, I’m more amazed at the mainstream media and how in lock step, 100% was ready to pounce on this same narrative.


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  • Posted by  $  CBJ 2 years, 10 months ago
    Given the revelations about Hillary's corrupt campaign in the recent email leaks, I think Trump's statement will actually gain him more votes than he loses.
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    • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 2 years, 10 months ago
      He might be able to, but The New York Times gives the marching orders to most of the media. They have gone on record saying that they want to take Trump out, and it doesn't matter how they do it. So they tear Trump down and ignore what the Hilldebeast does. I don't know how Trump can overcome that, but I hope that he does.
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      • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 2 years, 10 months ago
        Judging by the amount of red clothing in line during early voting yesterday (3p - 4:15) and the positive comments I received, he's certainly got the votes being cast. The issue is whether he has the votes being counted. Red greatly outnumbered any other color. That said ... make darned sure you get out to the polls, folks ... this one ain't over 'til the fat lady shuts up.
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  • Posted by  $  CBJ 2 years, 10 months ago
    By the media's logic, Al Gore should have "accepted the will of the voters" in the 2000 election weeks before he did.
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    • Posted by 2 years, 10 months ago
      Absolutely correct, seems as though hypocrisy has been flipped from a character flaw to a virtue.
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      • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 2 years, 10 months ago
        If Republicans oppose a SCOTUS nomination, it's bad. If they question an election result, it's bad.

        If the Democrats do it, it's not. Do not delude yourselves ... this election has gotten away from the close control of the mass media and they are now in panic mode ... even though they KNOW that the polls ARE rigged in Hillary's favor.

        I think they are worried that they do not have enough fake ballots prepared.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 10 months ago
    Trump is damned by Hitlery's controlled media regardless of what he says. Hitlery is excused from media criticism regardless of what evidence of Hitlery's criminal acts are exposed.
    The election is rigged. Trump is getting exactly what 3rd parties have had to deal with for 100 years.
    It is shameful and likely criminal.
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    • Posted by 2 years, 10 months ago
      I personally think he is doing awesome given the task at hand. Any of the other republican candidates would have been fish chum by this point. He is taking an incredible beating and he is still in the fight.

      Also, I’m not convinced that the pools are a 100% correct, but of course, I felt the same way 4 years ago.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 years, 10 months ago
        Think about this: pollsters start out with a pool of say 1,000 voters, and that's what they advertise as the source of their numbers, but the raw data is very revealing. People who hang up without responding to the poll questions are still counted in the total; people who decide to stop answering questions are also counted in the total. Pollsters are lucky if they get 20% real response, but they still advertise the original numbers, and the original demographic spread, so even if only Democrats responded and all the Republicans hung up, the poll still claims a fair representation.

        There are other things about pollsters that can be disconcerting. For example, I listened to one of the chief major network pollsters say that they "fill in" numbers based on "likely" answers. He went on to explain that if someone hangs up without responding, but comes from a predominantly Democrat area, they'll put down a vote for Hillary. When the reporter asked him if they did the same thing in Republican dominated areas, he dodged answering. Does that give you confidence?
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 2 years, 10 months ago
        There's no question he's getting beat up in the media, but a lot of that is his own doing. Any of the other Republican candidates would have been able to focus on issues and Hillary's record as the most lying, corrupt, disgusting politician probably known to man. Trump is constantly being put on the defense because he's such a blowhard and let's his mouth run. He really likes the taste of those Italian leather loafers, because he's chewing on them all the time. Even before he became the candidate, Trump was the only one losing to Hillary and that hasn't changed much. Even Clinton's own internal memos as per Wikileaks have the Clinton campaign salivating over a challenge by Trump because he was the only candidate she could beat.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
    The media are being unfair to Trump. They remind me of how they pounced on Howard Dean in '04 over his shouting into a directional mic.

    If they were fair, I would expect them to contact Trump and ask which independent observers he would trust to certify the election and what practicable steps he wants to see to ensure a fair election. They make it sound like he's saying he might reject the election just because he doesn't like the outcome. It did sound like that. They need to follow up. But instead the media seem like they're pouncing on him because he's unpopular among citizens and out of favor with the powerful.

    I do not agree with how they treated him on his mic recording his private conversation either.

    I can't stand Trump. I think he appeals to the scare and confused of the world. But reporters should be objective. I sense he's alienated the media, and they're having fun with him.
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    • Posted by 2 years, 10 months ago
      He appeals to me not because I’m scared or confused but simply that he will fight. The left is a cancer on all humanity and the right is Hitler’s lap dog; I’m an objectivist first and conservative second. The corruption of the left laid bare during this election cycle makes me sick. Beyond that, I’m convinced the both sides are complacent with the corruption, trading in being good cop/bad cop to keep the US citizens occupied while we march towards globalization.

      I like Trump more now than before but now I understand that he isn’t a part of ether establishment; he will destroy our two party system, which exactly what we need.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
        I don't believe in the left/right thing. As you say, both parties agree on a bipartisan consensus. They sort-of keep each other honest but not on things they're both guilty of.

        Globalization is a result of technology IMHO, and it will lead to accelerated wealth creation around the world. The important thing is for the gov't to stay out of the way, so people can specialize in what they do best, and trade freely with others. Trump talks about someone winning and losing in a trade, but in a mutual trade both parties come away with more value than they had before.
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        • Posted by  $  CBJ 2 years, 10 months ago
          Trump does, correctly, oppose "free trade" deals that are actually government power grabs. But to some extent he opposes them for the wrong reasons (i.e., "stealing American jobs").
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
            If you rank the candidates from most to least gov't interference with foreign trade, it would be Trump, Clinton, Johnson.
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            • Posted by 2 years, 10 months ago
              I do have to say that your statement is complete and udder bullshit. This is not what Trump said at all and goes perfectly to my point that people are manipulated (the hive mind or the sheep). He says “I want to renegotiate trade agreements” and the left media establishment say that Trump wants to curtail free trade. It’s not one and the same, it’s a massive overreach at best and quite possibly an out and out lie.

              Trump wants to renegotiate trade agreements because we have been and are allowing foreign counties to tax the hell out of our good while we don’t tax their goods sufficiently to offset the difference. China is manipulating its currency lower to make the cost of its goods it produces lower, where we can’t compete. All he said is he wants to do renegotiate trade agreements. I’d flip your ranking around, Johnson (just because he doesn’t know where Aleppo is at), Clinton and finally Trump.

              Johnson is a starry eyed libertarian; he is ruled by his ideology. He is not an objectionist and this cozy relationship between the two ideologies is fine but there is a difference. He would sacrifice himself to support his ideology. For example, he is all in on legalizing drugs, because he feels the government doesn’t have a right to tell you what to do with yourself. I feel that we should legalize drugs only after we eliminate welfare and unemployment benefits for people that choose to partake. Not doing both… Also, he doesn’t stand a chance in hell, a vote for Johnson is as good as a turd in the toilet, it isn’t going anywhere until you flush it.

              Clinton would be anything but free, I shouldn’t have to tell you that the only free trade that would be going on are with the FOB (Friends of Bill) group. So many pay for play allegations and now proof. It pains me that you rank Clinton ahead of Trump as I’m worried for you.

              Trump is an unknown but he is also a business man and knows what we need to do to encourage free trade.
              I’d pick the unknown over the obviously other poor choices…

              Mitch
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
                "Trump wants to renegotiate trade agreements because we have been and are allowing foreign counties to tax the hell out of our good while we don’t tax their goods sufficiently to offset the difference. "
                He thinks they're somehow getting away with something by taxing US goods, and we need the same "benefit". I'm of the starry-eyed libertarian view. I don't care if countries discourage their people from buying US goods. I don't want the govt to negotiate, just get out of the way.
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                • Posted by 2 years, 10 months ago
                  The starry-eyed libertarian view once again… Reality sets in and you realize that your government and every other government around the word taxes your shit. We have to have trade agreements that work, period. Anything else is just playing with a non-workable ideology, Trump is business.
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                  • Posted by jdg 2 years, 10 months ago
                    The spineless compromiser view once again... Reality sets in and you realize that you've been manipulated into helping another bunch of thieves get in and steal more of our stuff. We have to stop respecting and start resisting laws that steal our stuff, period. Anything else is just rooting for Tweedledum against Tweedledee because they pretend there's a difference. Trump is a walking cesspool of corruption whose idea of a fair trade is his bribe money for government favors.
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    • Posted by  $  blarman 2 years, 10 months ago
      The media pounced on Dean because he was an idiot and they wanted Hillary. Prior to his crazy yell, he was leading the polls. They used that one incident to push Hillary (even though she eventually lost out to Obama).

      "But instead the media seem like they're pouncing on him because he's unpopular among citizens and out of favor with the powerful."

      No, they gang up on him because they are in the bag for Hillary. They're not even trying to hide it any more.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
        "They used that one incident to push Hillary (even though she eventually lost out to Obama)."
        Kerry won the nomination, not Hillary Clinton.
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        • Posted by  $  blarman 2 years, 10 months ago
          Yes, but the media wanted Hillary - not Kerry. The media had a fascination with Bill Clinton and wanted to relive those glory days through Hillary. They would go on to defend Kerry in the debates, but not because he was their first choice.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
            " the media wanted Hillary - not Kerry."
            I don't think Hillary was running that year. At the time I was for Dean. I thought the media had it in for him. Now I think a better way to say it is many journalists/outlets sensed they could get away with saying he sounds crazy. With a candidate who projected more equanimity to start with, people would have seen directional mics as sounding weird. I think the same thing is happening with Trump but worse.

            I used to see the media as having this huge sway over public opinion. Maybe b/c there are more outlets now or maybe b/c I'm older, I see them as more a reflection of their consumers.
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            • Posted by  $  blarman 2 years, 10 months ago
              "I see them as more a reflection of their consumers."

              Which would explain why their viewership is declining.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
                I don't see how it would affect their viewership.
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                • Posted by  $  blarman 2 years, 10 months ago
                  Mainstream media viewership has been steadily declining over the past ten years. Large papers like the New York Times are losing readers because many are turning to the Internet - especially as more alternatives like the "Drudge Report" have gained in popularity. And there is the fact that blatant media bias is turning off many people.

                  IMO - good riddance. There hasn't been a free market in journalism for decades. This year's election I hope it finally kills off a few of the major players to shock the others. If not, I hope they all go under.
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    • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 2 years, 10 months ago
      Let me tell you about something that happened to me while waiting in line to vote yesterday: A woman with a thousand mile stare, saw my bright red "Make America Great Again" cap and asked me whose slogan that was.

      That's who's voting for Hillary.

      I think that Trump appeals to the informed voter. Time is short ... I hope that you become one.

      DURING the last debate, on national television (I think we can assume some level of international coverage, as well) Hillary revealed our nuclear launch times.

      That is a felony. Yet what is in the news? Trump saying he'll abide by the law.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 years, 10 months ago
        It is sad, and dangerous, to think we might have an idiot so unconsciously cavalier with sensitive strategic information in the White House. I was in the early warning "trigger" systems my entire Air Force career, and if we had even hinted at the nuclear release timeline we'd be breaking rocks at Leavenworth very quickly. If Trump had made the same dumb statement, the press would be screaming to have him convicted as a traitor.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
        I think Clinton voters on the have more information. The person not aware of the Trump's slogan is an exception.

        I do not think Clinton revealed our nuclear launch time at the debates.

        The claims in mainstream media headlines, like NYT, saying Trump won't accept the outcome are wrong. I have lost some respect for them because of their continual bias against Trump.
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        • Posted by  $  WilliamShipley 2 years, 10 months ago
          Well, either she deliberately misstated it, or she revealed our nuclear launch time. Lots of people are pointing to other published times. That is irrelevant. If someone like myself makes an educated guess as to the time and reveals it, it's no big deal. If someone who has actually been briefed on the subject does, it is.

          There was a point just before D-Day when the press was making some pretty accurate guesses that Eisenhower briefed the press on the plans making them responsible for keeping them secret.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
            It's not one number. The US has different weapons the deploy in different ways. The claim is goofy, right up there with insisting Trump said he won't accept the results right after he said he would follow the laws and traditions regarding presidential elections. It sounds like desperation to find something, anything, to criticize about Clinton that will be resonate instantly with people as the recording of Trump's crass joking in private did, which the media milked for all it was worth.
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            • Posted by  $  WilliamShipley 2 years, 10 months ago
              Presumably there is a first response timeline. I would assume that the nuclear ballistic submarines are our fastest response.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 10 months ago
                Yes. I would think there's time to input/verify the codes plus time for the message to propagate plus time to arm the weapons plus travel time for the weapons to reach their targets. Those could be different for each type of weapon and each target. Even if the msg latency and arming time were longer for subs, a sub or plane might be able to attack North Korea faster than an ICBM. An ICBM might be faster for attacking central Asia. Clinton's point is the president is responsible for making split-second decisions that could change the course of human history.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 2 years, 10 months ago
    The major news media sycophants are siding with HC is due to her verbal threats to the alternative on-line news outlets that she will shut them down. They naively think that they will again be the only game (gammey) around if she gets elected.. Her threat to the First Amendment seems to be palpable. What irks me is how she has so many women showing up at her stops. Don't they realize when she talks about her love for children and that she wants them to excel in life, that she will to take the bread off the parents table to feed the children. I have become a little disappointed in Fox News also jumping on Trump's statement. If he answered differently at the end of the debate, he would be admitting defeat before the election. I'm going to do more on-line alternative new trolling. I can't trust the major media on television any more.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 years, 10 months ago
    Perhaps humanoids (those with only a brain and no mind) do rely on a hive mind of sorts...have always wondered just how a brain only entity survives in modern society these days...you may have struck on the answer.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 years, 10 months ago
    I was so disgusted about it, I e-mailed several Fox shows and told them they were as dumb as the mainstream press, tempest in teapot.
    How many reports did any of them air about Hillary goofing and telling millions of viewers in several countries the time lapse for the US nuclear code to set it in motion? That was top secret "classified" information, not for worldwide distribution. She had a moment of confusion during the debate as well, mini brain freeze, likely fixed by some kind of Rx pump for her brain. By the time she met with her audience she was in her manic mode. Someone will "forget" to hive her he meds after elected, she will be institutionalized, and ole Tim will run things.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 2 years, 10 months ago
    The zombie apocalypse may not be fiction after all. What other explanation is there for the number of dead people that vote in every election? Poll watchers be on the look out for zombie horde voters. :-o
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  • Posted by Herb7734 2 years, 10 months ago
    Once again we are treated to the way the English language is skewed by projecting denotative meanings to words rather than connotative. Translating Trump into language easily understood by the media, he said in effect; Once I see the evidence, I will decide at that time. What the media "journalists" heard was: Yes, I might well disagree with the results of the election and challenge it. Truth and logic, apparently, no longer belong in reporting.

    Let me further illustrate how easy it is to screw up people's brains. If I said, "Tell me the original name of Istanbul and you answered Constantinople, you'd be correct. But what if you answered elpo nitnat scoC? I'd say you're wrong. You'd swear you're right. And you would be correct provided I had the ingenuity to reverse the letters and eliminate the spaces. If so-called journalists are forced to understand the words and sentence structure they'd know what was truly said rather than an "interpretation" twisted to benefit their preferred candidate.

    When loyalty overcomes truth, then nothing said from that point forward can be trusted.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 2 years, 10 months ago
    I think that Trump is his own worst enemy. He is very imprecise with his statements probably because he isn't a politician (unfortunately, an everyman candidate isn't viable anymore due to the advent of spin doctors). By not saying in no uncertain terms what his plans are, he allows others to attribute motives to them. So building a wall on the Mexican border becomes racist. By saying it was 'just locker talk', it is becomes sexism. I am constantly having to ask for exact statements he said that were sexist, racist, homophobic. Invariably they cannot, but it doesn't matter, they just want to either be a part of making history (first woman president), or they have already fallen victim to the socialist mentality of getting free handouts from government that a Trump presidency would curtail.
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    • Posted by 2 years, 10 months ago
      Yes, agreed… It’s sad that one needs to be a professional liar to run for office. He is unpolished but I also see a fighter that won’t back down. Remember that all socialist societies divide everyone one up into one of two classes, a ruling class and everyone else. The news media see themselves as the ruling class as they will control opinion; I think they are in for this reason while the other basket of losers just want a handout or their “fair share”.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 2 years, 10 months ago
    What Trump should have said was "It all depends on how many dead people are voting Democrat." Contesting an election is valid if there is suspicion of voter fraud. And the Democrats have been complicit in voter fraud for at least 20 years, with videos now of some Dems talking privately but admitting that they were actively engaged in massive fraud. This single sentence would have put the onus right back on Hillary and the Dems where it belongs.
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    • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 2 years, 10 months ago
      And the whole interview would never have seen airtime on a late-night 1 watt Nebraska corn field station. It's as if Hank Rearden's lines were penciled in, erased, then ad-libbed. In the print version, not the film.
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