Trump was about 30 years late to expose the crookedness of the election system. It has been obvious for a long time and the Libertarian Party has been talking about it since the 80s.

Re: “This is why running for president at this point in time is bad- it encourages watering down the ideas so as to get a little more popularity.” So at which point in time will it be appropriate for a libertarian to run for President? When 51% of the voters are Objectivist? Not gonna happen. The time to get libertarian ideas into the political marketplace is now, even if the candidate and his presentation skills are less than perfect. Watered down ideas are not as good as consistent ones, but at least they will get some of the voters thinking about the topic of individual liberty, and some of them will investigate further and join us.

Running for president is a PC fiasco. Thats one reason I say that Johnson should stick to education and not politics- at least until PC is dead and running for president isnt decided on issues like in the video you linked above.

"meet the same smear campaign fate "
Here you are:
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/und...

;^)

Trump has exposed the crookedness in the whole elelection system. It has caused me to just give up on the whole thing. Its too crooked and self protective to allow ANYONE who challenges it to get anywhere. Let the system collapse without my spending any time trying to slow it down. I am DONE.
This is the last election that I will be remotely interested in. I cant see anyone in the future with the stamina to resist the crooked establishment like Trump did. He wasted his money and my time- the establshment was never going to allow him to win, and Johnson would not get nearly as far as Trump did

At least Johnson HAS IDEAS and ETHICS.
Johnson is the ONLY candidate who actually talks about the ideas, accepts responsibility for what he does say, and actually was pro-liberty and pro-free markets when he was governor.
Just let Trump go, term. He has always had skeletons that were bound to show up, and the worst haven't even been exposed. Those are the ones that are held back for back room negotiations to control him if he had won the election.
The upside is you can now vote on principle and advance liberty instead of voting in fear for statists.

When the election system is rigged as it is now, and the media and the two parties are really hacks for big government, it is useless to actually spend money on a libertarian "candidate". As long as he is an unknown, the system leaves him alone. BUT, if he actually got some public attention, the system would drag him down as they are doing to Trump.
I really think that giving speeches like he did on foreign relations gives people things to actually think about. In future years the numbers of people who embrace freedom and capitalism might actually increase to the point where those ideas would have some traction in the political arena.
Apart from that, Johnson is sort of a buffoon when it comes to being interviewed. He giggles and just doesnt present Libertarian ideas very consistently and effectively. He wants pot decriminalized, but other drugs to stay illegal. Inconsistent and it actually damages the idea of personal freedom. This is why running for president at this point in time is bad- it encourages watering down the ideas so as to get a little more popularity.

Well, Johnson is not a threat at all, and the establishment knows it. Therefore, they dont waste time and money on decimating him. But if he were more popular, he would get the same treatment as Trump did. Hillary offers goodies and access to government stuff for her supporters. Thats why they vote for her.

They hated Trump's message and it wouldnt have mattered if he were 98% squeaky clean- they would have found the 2% to bring him down. Its disgusting.

Hillary's campaign is one of propaganda and obfuscation of the real important issues. "exposing" Trump was just her backhanded way of neutralizing him as a threat to HER.

What Trump really did in this election campaign is exposed a lot of corruption in the election system. Not to minimize Snowden and Assange at all. They have done much. But Trump did show the media and the two parties to be corrupt as hell more than anyone else has done in modern times.
When Hillary gets elected, there will be a LOT of people who will be upset and never have the same feelings about this country as before.

That certainly includes me. She will NEVER be my president, and I have concluded that both parties as well as the entire election process are just hacks for big government, and she will cement that situation for good in the USA.

I am coming to the conclusion that the government is so crooked and filled with cronyism today that it is pretty much useless to vote at all. Trump was trying to reign it in a bit, and he was villified and hated for that. Johnson would have NO chance if he actually posed a threat to Hillary. The establishment would decimate him in the eyes of the low rent electorate.

I doubt Dagny Taggart or Hank Rearden or John Galt actually voted in AS. It took complete collapse of the society to make people see what was wrong. I think that will be required today before it makes any more sense to get involved in politics. Efforts at education (I liked Johnson's speech on foreign relations) over a LONG period of time will pay off, but political action is useless.

The demise of Trump is the straw that broke the camels back for me. No more interest in politics during the rest of my lifetime.

You don't get "traction" or public attention in an election campaign by merely "educating" voters. By running for President, Gary Johnson is in fact providing an important "educational" service by showing voters that a reasonable alternative exists to the two "major party" candidates. If the LP did not have a candidate in the race, the most prominent third party candidate would be one to the left of Hillary.

Rubbish. The heroes who exposed the corruption were Edward Snowden and Julian Assange. Trump did nothing heroic. Trump is a braggart and a boorish lout. Hillary's campaign has done many unethical things and they are traitors, but they told the truth about Trump. Johnson's pot smoking is not an issue since most voters have smoked pot.

We can decide how the president is picked, but WE have to act rationally and vote based on principles as the founders of freedom did when they established this country. THEY did not cower in fear and act against what they knew was right.

Trump's sin was to expose the crooked establishment. Bill Clinton himself was far worse as a person, with evil witch Hillary backing him up. Johnson, if he ever got traction , would meet the same smear campaign fate as trump. Just his illegal pot smoking might be enough to trash him as a candidate. And his running mate most likely has a lot of dirt that would durface

Thank you, Freedomforall, you are right all the way. Some people are just hard to convince. Maybe a few here will rethink their reasons and come around to Johnson.

Sane and coherent?
That's his big mistake. No wonder he can't get very far.
Sane and coherent -- Hah!
No one can win being sane and coherent. try inane and babbling and you might get the voter's attention.

You know that his impact on this election is ZERO. We will get Hillary, perhaps no matter what anyone does at this point. Consider why they vote for Hillary- even though she has tremendous negatives but people wanted Obama with no experience, and her as a crook. I am preparing for the disaster of Hillary, and getting ready to lay off half our workforce before the $15/hour comes in.

That last smear was bought and paid for.
So will the next.
For over two months me dino has wondered if the Clinton Crime Cartel would pull a Herman Cain to distract voters from Slick Willy's past.
Of course more bombs will drop.
Plenty more $$$$$$$$$$$$$ where that came from to pay for the ordinance.

Trump evilly smeared himself, and doesn't deserve anyone's vote. Never did. Never will.
You could wait until the Dem's puppet media drops the next bombshell.

I have even more reason to vote Trump due to an evil smear.
Me dino a poet~
Didn't you know it?

You have just described a no win scenario. If Hillary wins it is the end of the country as we know it. If Trump wins the end is just delayed a bit but is still likely. My greatest fear is that you are right. Trump has one chance. He must reveal the media as the propaganda arm of the liberal-progressive movement and trators to the country. He might be able to pull that off, but I doubt it.

Trump has self destructed with help from the media. Stop listening to Trump's delusions. A vote for Trump is a wasted vote.

Johnson doesn't have a chance and Hillary's links to Soros and the Liberal-progressive movement makes her a choice that will surely destroy the country. I will hold my nose and vote for Trump mainly because I think he will do less damage than Hillary. It is a terrible situation. In the case of a tie for electoral college votes Johnson is a pipe dream.

No, Prof, with Trump's arrogance finally exposed and the women's vote destroying his chances, now you can vote based on principles for the candidate that deserves your vote, Gary Johnson.
(Then it will be up to the republican congress to select Johnson when Hitlery doesn't get enough electoral votes.)

It has already turned on Johnson, term. However, since the majority of the electorate already knows Johnson has smoked, and they have also smoked, it would likely be a positive for Johnson, especially among the young.
Since Trump is history, now you can Finally Vote on Principle for the only good candidate. That will do more for fixing the system than Trump would ever do.

good point about the debates, dino.
As for the "so is Johnson", I reply that is even more reason to vote on principle instead of in fear.